[nagdu] Working on the right

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Fri Aug 23 12:59:31 UTC 2013 

I have sometimes grabbed the harness with my right hand when it seemed to be 
necessary, but it felt very awkward, and I never did it for more than a few 
steps.
Still, dogs are adaptable, and, if you worked with Tres on it, he might be 
able to do it.  I guess he'd have to get used to checking clearance on his 
left instead of his right, which might be confusing for a while.
Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)


> hi, I aalways work tres off the bus also. I'm wondering if you have ever 
> tried to get Ben to work on your right side? If I ever have to have carpal 
> tunel surgery on my left side I'm just wondering if it might work.
> On 8/22/2013 9:20 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> I usually change the rules when I get home, if I find the school rules 
>> aren't working for me.  I say, give the school rules a fair try, because 
>> they may have some real value, but chuck them if they don't work for me.
>> One example is what I think of as the TSE pirouette, a maneuver for 
>> opening a door and going through it with the dog.  I gave it a fair try 
>> at the school, but shortly after I got home I went back to the way I'd 
>> been doing things and totally forgot it.
>> Another example is that, many years ago, GDB taught that I should heel 
>> the dog off of a bus.  I did that, until I stepped into a hole, or 
>> smashed into a pole right outside the door--I'm sure both these things 
>> happened--then I decided it was a stupid thing to do and have worked the 
>> dog off the bus ever since.
>> IMO, while many of the rules I've been taught in class do have value, 
>> some others seem to have been made up by people with no practical 
>> experience in the world I live in, and I will use my good judgement to 
>> decide which are which.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Leigland" 
>> <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>
>>
>>> hi lyn well stated. I know a handler that goes out of the way to do 
>>> everything differently than the school trains to do. I do know that some 
>>> things work better for some dogs than others but the principles are 
>>> still the same.
>>> On 8/21/2013 11:41 AM, L Gwizdak wrote:
>>>> Hi Chantel,
>>>> I don't think Jenny said that ALL Pilot grads were idiots. LOL! I've 
>>>> seen my share of poor handlers since 1971!  they came from all schools. 
>>>> Part of what I've seen is that grads will sometimes decide that the 
>>>> school is full of crap when the school asks you to do things in a 
>>>> certain way when you get home with a new dog.  the grad blows off the 
>>>> school and does things as they please - not realizing that the school 
>>>> tells you things because they do really know better what has worked and 
>>>> not worked for grads when they get home.
>>>>
>>>> At TSE, EVERYTHING done has a purpose!  Even the simple things like 
>>>> going to the dining room for meals.  At lunch time, all the employees 
>>>> and guests have lunch with us during the week. For us students, they 
>>>> have us come in after the staff and guests are already eating and they 
>>>> are seated near the door in the first section of the dining room.  We 
>>>> are required to work our dogs past these tables with people eating at 
>>>> them.  This arrangement sets up a situation that we will find when we 
>>>> go to restaurants.  Every day, we are practicing how to work the dogs 
>>>> in a restaurant type setting.  In lecture, our dogs are in harness and 
>>>> lying quietly at our feet.  This is like if wwe were at a meeting we 
>>>> would go to when we get home.
>>>>
>>>> I do think some schools are more thorouogh in some things than other 
>>>> schools.  I see that some other schools do not place a premium on 
>>>> getting dogs out of the way when we are sitting in a meeting where we 
>>>> sit at tables. Some of the dog users just let their dogs lie on the 
>>>> floor in the way where they get tripped over.  The Seeing Eye is a real 
>>>> stickler on this issue of making sure our dogs are out of the way - 
>>>> under chairs or the table where they will not be tripped over.
>>>>
>>>> But many problems are from lax handling by new users AND long-time 
>>>> handlers because they don't think about what they are doing.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chantel Cuddemi" 
>>>> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a Pilot grad, and I went through the achievement walk twice, and 
>>>>> I had
>>>>> to stay for extra training.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, are you saying that all Pilot grads are idiots? Pilot's name is 
>>>>> engraved
>>>>> on Motley's harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Snow White 
>>>>> Dove
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:20 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I got Shasta at Pilot.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was and am astounded by their training of their dogs and their 
>>>>> students.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know they have a fowl reputation.  but when I was there, I saw why.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were a couple of women ther that never should've gotten their 
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> because they didn't have to go through the full achievement walk to
>>>>> determine whether they are fit for a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically what I'm trying to say, politely, but truthfully is, that 
>>>>> the
>>>>> reputation of Pilot is marred only by the idiots they let go home with 
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> they sshouldn't have giving to people.
>>>>>
>>>>> For any questions on the details of this opinion.  Please email me off 
>>>>> list
>>>>> so as to not clutter the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just have to say this.  Pilot is, in my opinion, being considered a 
>>>>> less
>>>>> than desirable school ecause of the idiots that are seen because 
>>>>> they're
>>>>> obviously not suited to have a dog and Pilot's name is on that 
>>>>> harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one sees Pilot on the harnesses of those who handle their dogs well 
>>>>> and
>>>>> just blend in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'm done gushing over my experiences.  Please don't feel 
>>>>> offended by
>>>>> anything I might have said.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I've overstepped my bounds with the moderators.  Please know that
>>>>> apologize.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>> congratulations!
>>>>>> What an interesting name..Where did you get Mr Shasta? I don't 
>>>>>> remember
>>>>> what school you apply to. Sorry.
>>>>>> May you both have many years of wonderful working relationship 
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wanted to write to tell you all that I finally did it. I know
>>>>> Cynprobably let you guys know already, but I figured I'd write myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I came home August 9th with an English Black lab named Shasta.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's a wonderful worker and has a great personality, but boy I 
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> sure of the personality part in the beginning or whether I could 
>>>>> handle him
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he had not been on leash I think he'd have bounced off the walls 
>>>>>>> all
>>>>> on his own steam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He settled down, and things are pretty cool now, but being 19 months 
>>>>>>> old,
>>>>> he's a chewer.  I've had him on leash since I got him, and everything 
>>>>> was
>>>>> fine till I got home with my brand new leather leash which he chewed 
>>>>> in half
>>>>> in a perfectly streight line in two seconds flat.
>>>>>>> Needless to say, I was embarrassed to call the school to order a new
>>>>> leash, but more embarrassed when the head trainer answered the phone. 
>>>>> He
>>>>> was cool about it, well for him, and said to give him a couple of 
>>>>> weeks to
>>>>> get more leashes as theyn were out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm hoping they'll just give me a new one, but I don't think I'll be 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>> lucky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, he appears to be a dog, but is a beaver.  He eats anything 
>>>>>>> wooden
>>>>> outside, and I can't seem to break him of it.  I've said no, leash
>>>>> corrections, drop it and removed sticks and twigs from his mouth.  ug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope to hear from you guys soon.  I just did a mass delete before I 
>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>> you all, so if you wrote me about Shasta, please forgive me and send 
>>>>> it
>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
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