[nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)

Darla Rogers djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 24 18:40:55 UTC 2013 

My understanding is that it takes some time and experience to work a dog on
the right; it would seem ill-advised to try it on your own; I have done so
for just a few feet, and I feel like I am so awkward, though there seems to
be no logical reason for this feeling.
	Maybe some owner-trainers or private trainers of guides will comment
more on this.
Darla & Huck


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila Leigland
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:28 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)

hi, I aalways work tres off the bus also. I'm wondering if you have ever
tried to get Ben to work on your right side? If I ever have to have carpal
tunel surgery on my left side I'm just wondering if it might work.
On 8/22/2013 9:20 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> I usually change the rules when I get home, if I find the school rules 
> aren't working for me.  I say, give the school rules a fair try, 
> because they may have some real value, but chuck them if they don't 
> work for me.
> One example is what I think of as the TSE pirouette, a maneuver for 
> opening a door and going through it with the dog.  I gave it a fair 
> try at the school, but shortly after I got home I went back to the way 
> I'd been doing things and totally forgot it.
> Another example is that, many years ago, GDB taught that I should heel 
> the dog off of a bus.  I did that, until I stepped into a hole, or 
> smashed into a pole right outside the door--I'm sure both these things 
> happened--then I decided it was a stupid thing to do and have worked 
> the dog off the bus ever since.
> IMO, while many of the rules I've been taught in class do have value, 
> some others seem to have been made up by people with no practical 
> experience in the world I live in, and I will use my good judgement to 
> decide which are which.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Leigland" 
> <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>
>
>> hi lyn well stated. I know a handler that goes out of the way to do 
>> everything differently than the school trains to do. I do know that 
>> some things work better for some dogs than others but the principles 
>> are still the same.
>> On 8/21/2013 11:41 AM, L Gwizdak wrote:
>>> Hi Chantel,
>>> I don't think Jenny said that ALL Pilot grads were idiots. LOL! I've 
>>> seen my share of poor handlers since 1971!  they came from all 
>>> schools.  Part of what I've seen is that grads will sometimes decide 
>>> that the school is full of crap when the school asks you to do 
>>> things in a certain way when you get home with a new dog.  the grad 
>>> blows off the school and does things as they please - not realizing 
>>> that the school tells you things because they do really know better 
>>> what has worked and not worked for grads when they get home.
>>>
>>> At TSE, EVERYTHING done has a purpose!  Even the simple things like 
>>> going to the dining room for meals.  At lunch time, all the 
>>> employees and guests have lunch with us during the week. For us 
>>> students, they have us come in after the staff and guests are 
>>> already eating and they are seated near the door in the first 
>>> section of the dining room.  We are required to work our dogs past 
>>> these tables with people eating at them.  This arrangement sets up a 
>>> situation that we will find when we go to restaurants.  Every day, 
>>> we are practicing how to work the dogs in a restaurant type setting.  
>>> In lecture, our dogs are in harness and lying quietly at our feet.  
>>> This is like if wwe were at a meeting we would go to when we get 
>>> home.
>>>
>>> I do think some schools are more thorouogh in some things than other 
>>> schools.  I see that some other schools do not place a premium on 
>>> getting dogs out of the way when we are sitting in a meeting where 
>>> we sit at tables. Some of the dog users just let their dogs lie on 
>>> the floor in the way where they get tripped over.  The Seeing Eye is 
>>> a real stickler on this issue of making sure our dogs are out of the 
>>> way - under chairs or the table where they will not be tripped over.
>>>
>>> But many problems are from lax handling by new users AND long-time 
>>> handlers because they don't think about what they are doing.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is 
>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chantel Cuddemi" 
>>> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jenny,
>>>>
>>>> I am a Pilot grad, and I went through the achievement walk twice, 
>>>> and I had to stay for extra training.
>>>>
>>>> So, are you saying that all Pilot grads are idiots? Pilot's name is 
>>>> engraved on Motley's harness.
>>>>
>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Snow 
>>>> White Dove
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:20 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I got Shasta at Pilot.
>>>>
>>>> I was and am astounded by their training of their dogs and their 
>>>> students.
>>>>
>>>> I know they have a fowl reputation.  but when I was there, I saw why.
>>>>
>>>> There were a couple of women ther that never should've gotten their 
>>>> dogs because they didn't have to go through the full achievement 
>>>> walk to determine whether they are fit for a dog.
>>>>
>>>> Basically what I'm trying to say, politely, but truthfully is, that 
>>>> the reputation of Pilot is marred only by the idiots they let go 
>>>> home with dogs they sshouldn't have giving to people.
>>>>
>>>> For any questions on the details of this opinion.  Please email me 
>>>> off list so as to not clutter the list.
>>>>
>>>> I just have to say this.  Pilot is, in my opinion, being considered 
>>>> a less than desirable school ecause of the idiots that are seen 
>>>> because they're obviously not suited to have a dog and Pilot's name 
>>>> is on that harness.
>>>>
>>>> No one sees Pilot on the harnesses of those who handle their dogs 
>>>> well and just blend in.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'm done gushing over my experiences.  Please don't feel 
>>>> offended by anything I might have said.
>>>>
>>>> If I've overstepped my bounds with the moderators.  Please know 
>>>> that apologize.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Marsha Drenth 
>>>> <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>> congratulations!
>>>>> What an interesting name..Where did you get Mr Shasta? I don't 
>>>>> remember
>>>> what school you apply to. Sorry.
>>>>> May you both have many years of wonderful working relationship 
>>>>> together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wanted to write to tell you all that I finally did it. I know
>>>> Cynprobably let you guys know already, but I figured I'd write myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I came home August 9th with an English Black lab named Shasta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's a wonderful worker and has a great personality, but boy I 
>>>>>> wasn't
>>>> sure of the personality part in the beginning or whether I could 
>>>> handle him at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If he had not been on leash I think he'd have bounced off the 
>>>>>> walls all
>>>> on his own steam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He settled down, and things are pretty cool now, but being 19 
>>>>>> months old,
>>>> he's a chewer.  I've had him on leash since I got him, and 
>>>> everything was fine till I got home with my brand new leather leash 
>>>> which he chewed in half in a perfectly streight line in two seconds 
>>>> flat.
>>>>>> Needless to say, I was embarrassed to call the school to order a 
>>>>>> new
>>>> leash, but more embarrassed when the head trainer answered the 
>>>> phone. He was cool about it, well for him, and said to give him a 
>>>> couple of weeks to get more leashes as theyn were out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm hoping they'll just give me a new one, but I don't think I'll 
>>>>>> be that
>>>> lucky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, he appears to be a dog, but is a beaver.  He eats anything 
>>>>>> wooden
>>>> outside, and I can't seem to break him of it.  I've said no, leash 
>>>> corrections, drop it and removed sticks and twigs from his mouth.  ug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope to hear from you guys soon.  I just did a mass delete before 
>>>>>> I wrote
>>>> you all, so if you wrote me about Shasta, please forgive me and 
>>>> send it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
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