[nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)

Mon Aug 26 15:51:02 UTC 2013

that's what my school said also I'll just have to figure out how to get 
him some exercise if that becomes necessary.
On 8/25/2013 4:41 PM, Shanna Stichler wrote:
> I wouldn't advise working a dog on the right side on a whim. Having 
> worked training dogs on the right before, I can tell you that it will 
> feel very awkward to you at first. Also, the dog has to figure out how 
> to clear obstacles on your left side rather than on the right, which 
> takes time. I'd say it takes between 4 and 6 weeks for a dog to really 
> get comfortable working on the right side. Just my thoughts, for what 
> they're worth.
>
> Shanna and Diamond
> On 8/24/2013 1:40 PM, Darla Rogers wrote:
>> My understanding is that it takes some time and experience to work a 
>> dog on
>> the right; it would seem ill-advised to try it on your own; I have 
>> done so
>> for just a few feet, and I feel like I am so awkward, though there 
>> seems to
>> be no logical reason for this feeling.
>>     Maybe some owner-trainers or private trainers of guides will comment
>> more on this.
>> Darla & Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila 
>> Leigland
>> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:28 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)
>>
>> hi, I aalways work tres off the bus also. I'm wondering if you have ever
>> tried to get Ben to work on your right side? If I ever have to have 
>> carpal
>> tunel surgery on my left side I'm just wondering if it might work.
>> On 8/22/2013 9:20 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>> I usually change the rules when I get home, if I find the school rules
>>> aren't working for me.  I say, give the school rules a fair try,
>>> because they may have some real value, but chuck them if they don't
>>> work for me.
>>> One example is what I think of as the TSE pirouette, a maneuver for
>>> opening a door and going through it with the dog.  I gave it a fair
>>> try at the school, but shortly after I got home I went back to the way
>>> I'd been doing things and totally forgot it.
>>> Another example is that, many years ago, GDB taught that I should heel
>>> the dog off of a bus.  I did that, until I stepped into a hole, or
>>> smashed into a pole right outside the door--I'm sure both these things
>>> happened--then I decided it was a stupid thing to do and have worked
>>> the dog off the bus ever since.
>>> IMO, while many of the rules I've been taught in class do have value,
>>> some others seem to have been made up by people with no practical
>>> experience in the world I live in, and I will use my good judgement to
>>> decide which are which.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Leigland"
>>> <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>
>>>
>>>> hi lyn well stated. I know a handler that goes out of the way to do
>>>> everything differently than the school trains to do. I do know that
>>>> some things work better for some dogs than others but the principles
>>>> are still the same.
>>>> On 8/21/2013 11:41 AM, L Gwizdak wrote:
>>>>> Hi Chantel,
>>>>> I don't think Jenny said that ALL Pilot grads were idiots. LOL! I've
>>>>> seen my share of poor handlers since 1971!  they came from all
>>>>> schools.  Part of what I've seen is that grads will sometimes decide
>>>>> that the school is full of crap when the school asks you to do
>>>>> things in a certain way when you get home with a new dog. the grad
>>>>> blows off the school and does things as they please - not realizing
>>>>> that the school tells you things because they do really know better
>>>>> what has worked and not worked for grads when they get home.
>>>>>
>>>>> At TSE, EVERYTHING done has a purpose!  Even the simple things like
>>>>> going to the dining room for meals.  At lunch time, all the
>>>>> employees and guests have lunch with us during the week. For us
>>>>> students, they have us come in after the staff and guests are
>>>>> already eating and they are seated near the door in the first
>>>>> section of the dining room.  We are required to work our dogs past
>>>>> these tables with people eating at them.  This arrangement sets up a
>>>>> situation that we will find when we go to restaurants. Every day,
>>>>> we are practicing how to work the dogs in a restaurant type setting.
>>>>> In lecture, our dogs are in harness and lying quietly at our feet.
>>>>> This is like if wwe were at a meeting we would go to when we get
>>>>> home.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think some schools are more thorouogh in some things than other
>>>>> schools.  I see that some other schools do not place a premium on
>>>>> getting dogs out of the way when we are sitting in a meeting where
>>>>> we sit at tables. Some of the dog users just let their dogs lie on
>>>>> the floor in the way where they get tripped over.  The Seeing Eye is
>>>>> a real stickler on this issue of making sure our dogs are out of the
>>>>> way - under chairs or the table where they will not be tripped over.
>>>>>
>>>>> But many problems are from lax handling by new users AND long-time
>>>>> handlers because they don't think about what they are doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chantel Cuddemi"
>>>>> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:59 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a Pilot grad, and I went through the achievement walk twice,
>>>>>> and I had to stay for extra training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, are you saying that all Pilot grads are idiots? Pilot's name is
>>>>>> engraved on Motley's harness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Snow
>>>>>> White Dove
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:20 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got Shasta at Pilot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was and am astounded by their training of their dogs and their
>>>>>> students.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know they have a fowl reputation.  but when I was there, I saw 
>>>>>> why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There were a couple of women ther that never should've gotten their
>>>>>> dogs because they didn't have to go through the full achievement
>>>>>> walk to determine whether they are fit for a dog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically what I'm trying to say, politely, but truthfully is, that
>>>>>> the reputation of Pilot is marred only by the idiots they let go
>>>>>> home with dogs they sshouldn't have giving to people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For any questions on the details of this opinion. Please email me
>>>>>> off list so as to not clutter the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just have to say this.  Pilot is, in my opinion, being considered
>>>>>> a less than desirable school ecause of the idiots that are seen
>>>>>> because they're obviously not suited to have a dog and Pilot's name
>>>>>> is on that harness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one sees Pilot on the harnesses of those who handle their dogs
>>>>>> well and just blend in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I'm done gushing over my experiences.  Please don't feel
>>>>>> offended by anything I might have said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I've overstepped my bounds with the moderators. Please know
>>>>>> that apologize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Marsha Drenth
>>>>>> <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>>> congratulations!
>>>>>>> What an interesting name..Where did you get Mr Shasta? I don't
>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>> what school you apply to. Sorry.
>>>>>>> May you both have many years of wonderful working relationship
>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wanted to write to tell you all that I finally did it. I know
>>>>>> Cynprobably let you guys know already, but I figured I'd write 
>>>>>> myself.
>>>>>>>> I came home August 9th with an English Black lab named Shasta.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He's a wonderful worker and has a great personality, but boy I
>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>> sure of the personality part in the beginning or whether I could
>>>>>> handle him at all.
>>>>>>>> If he had not been on leash I think he'd have bounced off the
>>>>>>>> walls all
>>>>>> on his own steam.
>>>>>>>> He settled down, and things are pretty cool now, but being 19
>>>>>>>> months old,
>>>>>> he's a chewer.  I've had him on leash since I got him, and
>>>>>> everything was fine till I got home with my brand new leather leash
>>>>>> which he chewed in half in a perfectly streight line in two seconds
>>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>>> Needless to say, I was embarrassed to call the school to order a
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>> leash, but more embarrassed when the head trainer answered the
>>>>>> phone. He was cool about it, well for him, and said to give him a
>>>>>> couple of weeks to get more leashes as theyn were out.
>>>>>>>> I'm hoping they'll just give me a new one, but I don't think I'll
>>>>>>>> be that
>>>>>> lucky.
>>>>>>>> Also, he appears to be a dog, but is a beaver.  He eats anything
>>>>>>>> wooden
>>>>>> outside, and I can't seem to break him of it.  I've said no, leash
>>>>>> corrections, drop it and removed sticks and twigs from his 
>>>>>> mouth.  ug.
>>>>>>>> Hope to hear from you guys soon.  I just did a mass delete before
>>>>>>>> I wrote
>>>>>> you all, so if you wrote me about Shasta, please forgive me and
>>>>>> send it again.
>>>>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jenny
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