[nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)

Sun Aug 25 22:41:43 UTC 2013

I wouldn't advise working a dog on the right side on a whim. Having 
worked training dogs on the right before, I can tell you that it will 
feel very awkward to you at first. Also, the dog has to figure out how 
to clear obstacles on your left side rather than on the right, which 
takes time. I'd say it takes between 4 and 6 weeks for a dog to really 
get comfortable working on the right side. Just my thoughts, for what 
they're worth.

Shanna and Diamond
On 8/24/2013 1:40 PM, Darla Rogers wrote:
> My understanding is that it takes some time and experience to work a dog on
> the right; it would seem ill-advised to try it on your own; I have done so
> for just a few feet, and I feel like I am so awkward, though there seems to
> be no logical reason for this feeling.
> 	Maybe some owner-trainers or private trainers of guides will comment
> more on this.
> Darla & Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila Leigland
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)
>
> hi, I aalways work tres off the bus also. I'm wondering if you have ever
> tried to get Ben to work on your right side? If I ever have to have carpal
> tunel surgery on my left side I'm just wondering if it might work.
> On 8/22/2013 9:20 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>> I usually change the rules when I get home, if I find the school rules
>> aren't working for me.  I say, give the school rules a fair try,
>> because they may have some real value, but chuck them if they don't
>> work for me.
>> One example is what I think of as the TSE pirouette, a maneuver for
>> opening a door and going through it with the dog.  I gave it a fair
>> try at the school, but shortly after I got home I went back to the way
>> I'd been doing things and totally forgot it.
>> Another example is that, many years ago, GDB taught that I should heel
>> the dog off of a bus.  I did that, until I stepped into a hole, or
>> smashed into a pole right outside the door--I'm sure both these things
>> happened--then I decided it was a stupid thing to do and have worked
>> the dog off the bus ever since.
>> IMO, while many of the rules I've been taught in class do have value,
>> some others seem to have been made up by people with no practical
>> experience in the world I live in, and I will use my good judgement to
>> decide which are which.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Leigland"
>> <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>
>>
>>> hi lyn well stated. I know a handler that goes out of the way to do
>>> everything differently than the school trains to do. I do know that
>>> some things work better for some dogs than others but the principles
>>> are still the same.
>>> On 8/21/2013 11:41 AM, L Gwizdak wrote:
>>>> Hi Chantel,
>>>> I don't think Jenny said that ALL Pilot grads were idiots. LOL! I've
>>>> seen my share of poor handlers since 1971!  they came from all
>>>> schools.  Part of what I've seen is that grads will sometimes decide
>>>> that the school is full of crap when the school asks you to do
>>>> things in a certain way when you get home with a new dog.  the grad
>>>> blows off the school and does things as they please - not realizing
>>>> that the school tells you things because they do really know better
>>>> what has worked and not worked for grads when they get home.
>>>>
>>>> At TSE, EVERYTHING done has a purpose!  Even the simple things like
>>>> going to the dining room for meals.  At lunch time, all the
>>>> employees and guests have lunch with us during the week. For us
>>>> students, they have us come in after the staff and guests are
>>>> already eating and they are seated near the door in the first
>>>> section of the dining room.  We are required to work our dogs past
>>>> these tables with people eating at them.  This arrangement sets up a
>>>> situation that we will find when we go to restaurants.  Every day,
>>>> we are practicing how to work the dogs in a restaurant type setting.
>>>> In lecture, our dogs are in harness and lying quietly at our feet.
>>>> This is like if wwe were at a meeting we would go to when we get
>>>> home.
>>>>
>>>> I do think some schools are more thorouogh in some things than other
>>>> schools.  I see that some other schools do not place a premium on
>>>> getting dogs out of the way when we are sitting in a meeting where
>>>> we sit at tables. Some of the dog users just let their dogs lie on
>>>> the floor in the way where they get tripped over.  The Seeing Eye is
>>>> a real stickler on this issue of making sure our dogs are out of the
>>>> way - under chairs or the table where they will not be tripped over.
>>>>
>>>> But many problems are from lax handling by new users AND long-time
>>>> handlers because they don't think about what they are doing.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chantel Cuddemi"
>>>> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a Pilot grad, and I went through the achievement walk twice,
>>>>> and I had to stay for extra training.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, are you saying that all Pilot grads are idiots? Pilot's name is
>>>>> engraved on Motley's harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Snow
>>>>> White Dove
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:20 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I got Shasta at Pilot.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was and am astounded by their training of their dogs and their
>>>>> students.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know they have a fowl reputation.  but when I was there, I saw why.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were a couple of women ther that never should've gotten their
>>>>> dogs because they didn't have to go through the full achievement
>>>>> walk to determine whether they are fit for a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically what I'm trying to say, politely, but truthfully is, that
>>>>> the reputation of Pilot is marred only by the idiots they let go
>>>>> home with dogs they sshouldn't have giving to people.
>>>>>
>>>>> For any questions on the details of this opinion.  Please email me
>>>>> off list so as to not clutter the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just have to say this.  Pilot is, in my opinion, being considered
>>>>> a less than desirable school ecause of the idiots that are seen
>>>>> because they're obviously not suited to have a dog and Pilot's name
>>>>> is on that harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one sees Pilot on the harnesses of those who handle their dogs
>>>>> well and just blend in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'm done gushing over my experiences.  Please don't feel
>>>>> offended by anything I might have said.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I've overstepped my bounds with the moderators.  Please know
>>>>> that apologize.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Marsha Drenth
>>>>> <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>> congratulations!
>>>>>> What an interesting name..Where did you get Mr Shasta? I don't
>>>>>> remember
>>>>> what school you apply to. Sorry.
>>>>>> May you both have many years of wonderful working relationship
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wanted to write to tell you all that I finally did it. I know
>>>>> Cynprobably let you guys know already, but I figured I'd write myself.
>>>>>>> I came home August 9th with an English Black lab named Shasta.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's a wonderful worker and has a great personality, but boy I
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> sure of the personality part in the beginning or whether I could
>>>>> handle him at all.
>>>>>>> If he had not been on leash I think he'd have bounced off the
>>>>>>> walls all
>>>>> on his own steam.
>>>>>>> He settled down, and things are pretty cool now, but being 19
>>>>>>> months old,
>>>>> he's a chewer.  I've had him on leash since I got him, and
>>>>> everything was fine till I got home with my brand new leather leash
>>>>> which he chewed in half in a perfectly streight line in two seconds
>>>>> flat.
>>>>>>> Needless to say, I was embarrassed to call the school to order a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>> leash, but more embarrassed when the head trainer answered the
>>>>> phone. He was cool about it, well for him, and said to give him a
>>>>> couple of weeks to get more leashes as theyn were out.
>>>>>>> I'm hoping they'll just give me a new one, but I don't think I'll
>>>>>>> be that
>>>>> lucky.
>>>>>>> Also, he appears to be a dog, but is a beaver.  He eats anything
>>>>>>> wooden
>>>>> outside, and I can't seem to break him of it.  I've said no, leash
>>>>> corrections, drop it and removed sticks and twigs from his mouth.  ug.
>>>>>>> Hope to hear from you guys soon.  I just did a mass delete before
>>>>>>> I wrote
>>>>> you all, so if you wrote me about Shasta, please forgive me and
>>>>> send it again.
>>>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
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