[nagdu] 2 things in one

Sun Dec 8 17:25:40 UTC 2013

Hi Raven,

I totally agree with you on this. The only reason I gave Cass my sweatshirt
the other day is because it was only 3F and she was shivering. She is
usually never cold but this recent blast has been a real kicker. We have
just decided to stay in for a few days since it won't be warming until
Tuesday. By warming up I mean it will not be 20 until Tuesday, and the older
I get the harder it is for me too. In Colorado the sun usually shines to
make the cold even bearable and that hasn't been happening, so I think it
might be a good time to, I don't know, send out the dog's holiday cards -
lol.

Daniel and Cass

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:08 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] 2 things in one
> 
> No, you being uncomfortable outside does not mean your dog is. These
> dogs have thick coats and foot pads that are less sensitive to
> temperature than our feet. They have very good undercoats that help
> regulate body temperature, and panting works just fine for keeping
> cool. Your dog will likely let you know if they are cold or too hot.
> Just watch for consistent shivering and teeth chattering.
> It was under 20dgF for three weeks straight this pat February. I would
> bundle up and wear two of everything, but my golden loved the weather
> and still wanted to play out in the snow and such.
> Gauge your dog's level of comfort with the temperature according to
> its signals and body language, not according to how the temperature
> feels to you.
> 
> 
> On 12/8/13, Elizabeth Campbell <batescampbell at charter.net> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > One of our instructors at The Seeing Eye gave us some excellent advice.
> If
> > you are uncomfortable out in the weather, the same is probably true for
> > your
> > dog.
> > So, plan accordingly. If it is overly hot or cold, I don't spend much
time
> > outside with Gabe. Also, you may want to give your dog a little extra
food
> > if you are going to be outside waiting for a bus or walking somewhere in
> > cold weather.
> > I do have boots and a waterproof jacket for Gabe, but he doesn't like to
> > wear them so I don't worry about it. I've also found that the jacket
> > interferes with the harness.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Liz
> >
> > p.s. Right now, we are dealing with one of the worst ice storms to hit
> > north
> > Texas. I wish I had yack tracks or another type of shoe so that I can
> walk
> > on the ice.
> > Everything is frozen solid so I'm just letting Gabe out in my backyard,
and
> > I'm assuming he's doing his business! He seems to be handling the ice
just
> > fine.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kristeen
> Hughes
> > Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 10:34 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] 2 things in one
> >
> > A lot of dogs simply don't like the boots. It's the same with raincoats
or
> > any of that equipment. It is extra paraphernalia and there are usually
> > other
> > ways around it. I plan to try the wax. Mendle doesnot love the boots
> > either,
> > and sometimes in deep snow, they will come off. I've lost one on more
> than
> > one occasion.
> >
> > Kristeen & Mendle
> > prefer the wax
> > On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Daniel,
> >> As far as wearing the booties goes, or anything that a dog is
> >> uncomfortable wearing or reluctant to wear, I would suggest that you
> >> do not dish out the corrections. Instead, try to create a positive
> >> experience for the dog so that she associates good things with the
> >> boots.
> >> Next, some dogs tolerate the boots and others don't. Personally, I
> >> hate the boots that the schools, or my school anyway, gives out. If
> >> the dog hates them too, I would advise using Musher's secret. Keep the
> >> booties on you just in case, but use the wax to avoid dealing with a
> >> stubborn or hesitant dog.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/7/13, Daniel Sweeney <daniel.sweeney1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> In order to not clutter up the list with too many posts, I am putting
> >>> a couple of thoughts in one email.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The first one came to me yesterday when I was out with Cass in our
> >>> nasty Denver single digit weather. The walks were icy, snow-packed
> >>> and some had snow melt applied and some had sand or salt. When I was
> >>> preparing to leave my house in the morning the temperature was -4F,
> >>> and Cass refused to walk in her boots. She just lay on the floor and
> >>> would not get up for love or money
> >>> - or the best food reward put to her lips. Since I had little time to
> >>> deal with this, I quickly applied my Musher's wax on the paws and got
> >>> going. I was making connections that were short since a friend was
> >>> picking me up close by. At one point during the day I realized CASs
> >>> was pretty cold so I stopped and took my t-shirt off and put it
> >>> around her so she would have some protection. It was actually a
> >>> sweatshirt. I figured I had a coat on and I could stand to lose a
> >>> layer and be fine. That did the trick just fine. Then I realized I
> >>> had forgotten my Musher's and her paws were lifting off the ground. I
> >>> quickly sought a protected area with warmer walks which thankfully I
> >>> found pretty quickly. We waited a bit and then I decided to just call
> >>> a cab for the rest of the day. Through all of this ordeal I noticed
> >>> when I put the shirt on the girl, she put her head on my shoulder and
> >>> then licked me on my face as if to say "thanks, papa", and when I got
> >>> home and started to get us unpacked from the day, she stayed in place
> >>> and did the same thing instead of shaking herself off and cruising to
> >>> the kitchen for her usual drink of water and romp around the living
> >>> room. She just stood there licking me while I took my boots off and
> >>> tried to get myself together.  It was as if she knew I had a rough
> >>> time of it and she knew I was trying to look out for her. Now I know
> >>> most of you already know I am a crazy guy to begin with, but don't
> >>> you think it might be a possibility? This brings me to my first
> >>> question (officially). If you could ask your guide dog 3 things about
> >>> your relationship, what would they be?
> >>>
> >>> I know it sounds silly, but it IS close to the holiday, and it is on
> >>> my mind how our guides perceive their jobs, or if they do at all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Secondly, it is the weekend so I can't contact my school about the
> >>> boot thing, but has anyone had a problem with their guide refusing to
> >>> move with them. She wore them last winter about 4 times is all? I
> >>> know it is not her favorite thing in the world, but she never refused
> >>> to get up. I didn't think I should pull her up or give her a more
> >>> harsh correction than I did. I have been faulted for not giving harsh
> >>> enough corrections. I have improved on that and Cass has improved
> >>> completely in the areas I had been having issues in the past. This
> >>> was different. Cass is a "soft" dog, and I did not think she deserved
> >>> more than she got. So, I ask you for your thoughts on the matter.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to all, and to all a good day. Oh, those darn holidays.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Daniel and Cass
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> BTW: Welcome to the newbies. I am Daniel in Lakewood, Colorado with
> >>> Cass, my second guide dog from GDB, Oregon. She is a yellow lab. She
> >>> is everything my first was not. He got me hit by a truck, but there
> >>> was no hard feeling, only sadness to lose him because he was the
> >>> wrong match.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> While you are proclaiming peace with your lips
> >>>
> >>> Be careful to have it more fully in your heart
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- sT. fRANCIS OF aSSISI
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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