[nagdu] Wistling was ...

Mon Dec 9 01:24:42 UTC 2013

Well, Holly always perks up when i whistle. She bumps and rolls into me. 
Replying the other subjedfct on boots, Holly won't wear them. She'll pull 
them off and play with them. I do have a reflective fleese lined jacket i 
put on her when its really cold or snowy. She doesn't particularly like it 
but it does keep her warm!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Wistling was ...


> This actually does not surprise me. I think that, for some weird reason,
> dogs like it when people whistle . I have read stories in which hunting 
> dogs
> were trained to come when someone whistled, even if it was a complete
> stranger or someone who the dog absolutely hated.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Parisian
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:16 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog problems
>
> Just a quick addition to this most excellent post:  I have been successful
> training all five dogs to come off leash which I think is no big deal.
> However, With My dog Payton, if I even said her name, that was eventually
> enough to have her come and sit in the expected position; no "come" 
> command
> was actually necessary.
>
> I also learned that, when she either was out of her hearing range, or a
> little sluggish about responding, I do the British steam train whistle
> through my cupped hands; I don't understand why, but that one has never
> failed.  For some reason, she actually seemed to like that sound.  Maybe 
> her
> puppy raisers did that, I don't know.
>
> Doug: The answer is blowin' in the wind!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raven Tolliver" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog problems
>
>
> : Ty,
> : There is no need to get snappy with the people who suggested leave the
> : dog alone. This is not bad advice, because let me tell you, a fearful
> : dog is, or can turn into, an aggressive dog. This is why it is
> : important to work at the dog's pace, and not at yours or Minh's.
> : Also, what you're saying is different from what Minh said.
> : First, this is about the relationship between your dog and your
> : girlfriend. Your dog does not like her. She has admitted that she has
> : behaved aggressively toward your dog, yelling, giving collar
> : corrections, and speaking sternly, when these things are obviously not
> : working and likely making the situation worse.
> : Second, raising your voice and yelling are 2 different things. I'm not
> : sure if you guys hang out/live together in an apartment or what, but
> : unless you are trying to get your dog's attention from across a field,
> : trust me, they can hear you perfectly fine. I never raise my voice to
> : call my dog, or any of the dogs I have trained. It is not necessary.
> : Bottom line: drop the yelling.
> : Third, you said that your dogs are comfortable enough to trust the
> : both of you. But Minh expressed the fact that your dog is not
> : comfortable around her. If the dog is avoiding her, not coming to her
> : at all unless she has a treat, hides from her, and yelps when she
> : plays with him, he does not trust her, he fears her. There could be
> : some underlying health issue as someone suggested; anything is
> : possible. But frankly, I believe the dog is afraid of her, and you
> : need to be very considerate of your dog's feelings, and Minh needs to
> : change the way she behaves toward your dog.
> : Now, training a dog to come when called is very hard. A surprising
> : number of people believe this is a basic, simple behavior/cue to
> : train, but it really isn't. There are two things that people do
> : frequently that hinder the dog's learning this behavior.
> : 1. People often punish their dogs when they come to them. I've seen it
> : at the park when a woman has to call her dog a bunch of times, and
> : when he finally comes to her, she is yelling at him and gripping his
> : collar up. Any kind of behavior like this lessens the chances of your
> : dog coming to you when you call him. If you have to call your dog
> : twenty-five times, you still don't punish them when they come to you.
> : You rain praise upon them as if they just ended world hunger so that
> : they associate coming to you with good things.
> : 2. Many people give in to their dogs, and after getting tired of
> : calling them, they just go to get/find the dog. When people do this,
> : they are communicating to their dog that the dog does not have to come
> : because their owner will go get them anyway.
> : You train that dog to come to you with a clicker and a toy, or a bag
> : of treats. Get your dog's attention with the toy, and of course, he
> : will come. Click! Give 'em the toy. Let 'em play for a minute or so,
> : then cue him to give the toy back with whatever cue you use--"drop it"
> : or the like. Repeat this several times. Make it a game, and make it
> : fun. Whenever he comes to you to get the toy, click! then give it to
> : 'em. Start introducing the cue "come," "here," or whatever. The moment
> : he comes to you, say "come," click! give the toy. repeat. Then do it
> : all without the toy. If your dog won't pay attention to you without
> : it, do more than just call his name--snap your fingers, tap your
> : thigh, whatever.
> : Many people do not want to do training sessions for something like
> : coming when called, but training sessions like this are what will
> : improve the reliability, and it's playtime! Who would say no to that?
> : After several days of training sessions, get Minh involved. If the dog
> : decides not to come to her, do not allow her to coax or cue him to do
> : so. If he is not willing to approach her, even if she has a toy, you
> : must be the one to reassure him. This might take several days or a
> : couple weeks. You might have to use treats to draw him close to her,
> : and to reward him if he interacts with her in a positive way at all.
> : Use the advice in my other email as well.
> : Good luck.
> : Raven
> :
> : On 12/8/13, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com> wrote:
> : > Hello all:
> : > First, for the one-liner "leave the dog alone," thanks but no thanks 
> for
> : > the advice. Minh was looking for some thought and feedback. For those 
> of
> : > you who responded (raven, nicole et al), thanks also for your 
> responses.
> : > I have a few comments I want to add because I'm interested in people's
> : > actual feedback regarding them.
> : >
> : > first, O'Mally and Minh got to know each other when Viva was not
> : > around--I had O'Mally before Minh got Viva. It seems that his behavior
> : > has changed a bit after Viva came around and she started getting
> : > attention from both of us. We do pretty much give them equal
> : > attention--sometimes O'Mally more than Viva or Viva more than O'Mally,
> : > but it sort of all equals out. I have no problem what-so-ever with 
> Minh
> : > calling O'Mally or me calling Viva. I think they are both comfortable
> : > enough with us to trust us. I guess others prefer to keep their dogs
> : > separate, but this seems like mostly personal preference. Regardless,
> : > here's what I'm thinking with O'Mally.
> : >
> : > First, I understand yelling is a bit of an issue. Neither of us scream
> : > at either of our guides, but a raised voice sometimes seems like it's
> : > useful for getting attention. It's much preferable to grabbing their
> : > collar or something, so I'd like to use that if it works. It doesn't
> : > seem to scare them, it's just like a way to get them to actually focus
> : > or pay attention.
> : >
> : > Second, I think part of this is stemming from a bit of jealousy on 
> both
> : > viva and O'mally's parts. I've noticed they tend to get irritated at
> : > each other sometimes, which I generally try to take care of, but I'm 
> not
> : > really sure how to do much with that. I assume it'll happen 
> regardless,
> : > but it seems to be a contributing factor.
> : >
> : > Finally, I appreciate all the advice given thus far on alternative 
> ways
> : > for us to get O'mally to come when she calls. There have been times 
> when
> : > I have to leave O'Mally with Minh or Viva has stayed with me. I 
> believe
> : > if I am going to do that, O'mally needs to be comfortable with her and
> : > she needs to be able to call him, knowing 100% sure or at least as 
> close
> : > to 100% as you can get with a dog that he will come. It may be that 
> she
> : > actually really needs O'Mally to come to her, which leads me into
> : > another point. I have also noticed that sometimes when I call O'mally 
> he
> : > thumps his tail at me rather than coming. I don't know if it is his 
> way
> : > of saying "I'm right here," but I'd much prefer he just came. It's not
> : > all that often, but it happens sometimes. Any advice on how to work 
> that
> : > out would be awesome.
> : >
> : > Thanks,
> : >
> : > --
> : > Take care,
> : > Ty
> : > http://tds-solutions.net
> : > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; 
> he
> that
> : > dares not reason is a slave.
> : >
> : >
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