[nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats

Mon Dec 9 18:13:32 UTC 2013

At Pilot Dogs, Motley and I did a lot of escalator work. 

We love doing them for real where I live when we go to the mall or when I
have to go to the dentist. 

Chantel and Motley.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 12:45 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats

Well, that's justifiable! I not having issues with them don't mind much!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats

> I'm just afraid of escalators and have no desire to learn to use them on 
> my
> own, with a cane or a dog. In the dog sense too, I grew up, metaphorically
> since I was 17 when I got my first dog, being told how unsafe they are for
> dogs and I knew someone long before GDB started teaching escalators, who
> took their dog on one and its foot got caught and hurt badly. I'm very 
> very
> glad the schools teach safe escalator travel. It's too important not to
> teach it, but I'll never be a person who uses them because they scare me
> practically into a panic attack. and that has nothing to do with the dog
> issue. I just don't like the things. I'd rather take stairs if there isn't
> an elevator. I have a friend who used to challenge me to go on escalators
> with him, and I did it a couple times and was shaking so hard I could 
> hardly
> walk by the time we got off! lol. It may be a ridiculous fear, but it's
> mine. Being so afraid in my self would mean not the best mindset to work 
> my
> dog and I would send that fear right down the harness handle.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:33 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
>
> At GEB, everyone was taught how to use the escalators with their dogs.
> The key is that when the end of the escalator approaches, you and your
> dog need to start walking in order to avoid cutting the dog's feet.
> Personally, if there's no one else on an escalator, or there's no one
> in front of me, I just walk up or down the thing anyway.
>
>
> On 12/9/13, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sherri,
>>
>> I don't catch them when I have packages to carry either, as I feel I
>> need both hands to make sure we are safe.
>> They aren't my favorite mode for getting from floor to floor, but
>> sometimes, it seems elevators are placed somewhere nobody knows where to
>> find them.
>> Darla & Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:38 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
>>
>> Yeah, I always refuse escalator training. I've been terrified of
> escalators
>> all my life and don't feel safe on them with my more limited range of
>> motion
>> and balance. Add to that the task of making sure my dog would be safe on
>> them, and there's no way I'm going to do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:01 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
>>
>> Dear Nicole,
>>
>> I'm guessing people weren't making sure the dog's nails were trimmed
>> closely enough and/or the hair around the feet.
>> GDA does not make our dogs wear the boots, but you have to have
>> escalator certification in order to use them; some people in class chose
>> not
>> to do this.
>> Darla & happy Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
> Torcolini
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:12 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
>>
>> Out of curiosity, why do some of the schools have the dogs wear boots on
>> escalators? GDB did not start doing this until after I received Lexia, so
> I
>> never got the full story on it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig Heaps
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:56 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>
>> Chase wears his boots every day on his back feet to protect him on the
>> escalators at BART.  He doesn't mind them at all.
>>
>> He knows that when we leave the BART station, his job is to find a bench
> to
>> jump up on so I can take his boots off.  It saves my aged old back not to
>> have to bend over to take them off.  I just wrap the velcro straps around
>> his harness handle and the boots are always within reach.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 5:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>
>>
>>> GDB trains all their dogs with booties during escalators, and then the
>>> students in class, to put booties on the dogs to use escalators. I
>>> don't ever do escalators, for many reasons, so I never practiced it. I
>>> can't imagine Olga liking them much, but who knows.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>> Tolliver
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:46 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>>
>>> I too will never forget the day at GEB where the instructors had us
>>> put the booties on our dogs. As soon as Kipling started galloping and
>>> walking super fast, I died! I laughed so hard, I cried through the
>>> majority of the practice session. And the same thing happened the
>>> second time, which was outside.
>>> The problem with the boots is that dogs cannot feel the ground through
>>> the footwear. This is one of the reasons why I prefer my dog to wear
>>> thin, latex booties. The product Musher's secret is fantastic because
>>> it creates an effective barrier between the salt and cold without
>>> depriving a dog of its sense of touch through its feet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> Hahaha, yes. GDB did not yet issue boots when I received Lexia, but
>>>> they had them for some of the upcoming classes and let me try them.
>>>> And, yes...
>>>> She
>>>> pranced like a horse. I guess that dogs just don't like stuff
>>>> on/around their heds and feet.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug
>>>> Parisian
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:47 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>>>
>>>> To add to the conversation, I've never used a coat for my dogs in
>>>> Winnipeg and at present, The wind chill here is minus 40, which is
>>>> the same by the way in both selcius and Fahrenheit.  Mind, I'd not
>>>> likely spend a lot of time outdoors in this weather, even though
>>>> Douglas is currently dogless.
>>>>
>>>> Further, I've never found boots that either breath, or that don't
>>>> absorb moisture.  TSI gave me boots (for my dog, also named Boots)
>>>> and she hated them.  I do admit the first time we tried then in
>>>> training, I got the giggles listening to this little baby horsy
>>>> pattering
>> beside me.
>>>>
>>>> Usually, once I leave the house, I'm on and off at least one bus.  In
>>>> winter, others get on the bus and naturally, there are little puddles
>>>> on the floor, not due to cold passengers loosing control, but due to
>>>> melting
>>> snow.
>>>>
>>>> So, the dog gets on the bus, walks through the puddles with boots
>>>> picking up more water than would be with bare feet, gets off and
>>>> boots freeze very quickly.  The rest should be obvious.
>>>>
>>>> The real problem to me is that, unlike dogs, I can dress in super
>>>> winter clothing and feel quite warm.  Further, our dogs to not live
>>>> out doors so that adapting to the cold, though it certainly does
>>>> happen, may not be as rapid nor complete as for the outdoor pups.
>>>>
>>>> Doug: cold feet, warm heart?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:35 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> : We actually have to adjust as well. After we have acclamated, we
>>>> don't shiver so much either. Coats do grow to compensate, specially
>>>> if you get out
>>>>
>>>> a lot.
>>>> : CL
>>>> :
>>>> : On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Shannon Dyer
>>>> <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> :
>>>> : > I'm not trying to cause offense, but I really don't see why
>>>> people buy coats for their dogs. The common breeds (labs, goldens,
>>>> etc.) have very good
>>>>
>>>> coats to keep them warm. Labs are bred to be outdoors.
>>>> : >
>>>> : > Sure, there might be some initial shivering. My dogs have done
>>>> this, but
>>>>
>>>> I figure they have to adjust to the change in temperature. If we
>>>> cover
>>> them
>>>>
>>>> in coats and the like, they'll never adjust.
>>>> : >
>>>> : > Shannon and the Acelet
>>>> : > On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:02 AM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> : >
>>>> : >> Lexia has a bunch of bandanas, but most of them are from her
>>>> groomer or
>>>>
>>>> from
>>>> : >> the groomer that did the family pet dog back in the day. My
>>>> mother
>>> did
>>>>
>>>> buy a
>>>> : >> few of the bandanas, but I don't know where she got them. In any
>>> case,
>>>>
>>>> Lexia
>>>> : >> does not mind them; I think that she actually likes them.
>>>> : >> Now that I live in California, Lexia does not need a Winter coat.
>>> When
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> : >> lived in Washington State, I had one for her that I occasionally
>>>> used when
>>>> : >> she came in and was damp or wet and cold. It looked a lot like a
>>> horse
>>>> : >> blanket, but it was not something that a dog would wear outside.
>>>> Someone
>>>> : >> also made Lexia a sweater. If I remember correctly, it was made
>>>> to go over
>>>> : >> the harness handle.
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> Nicole and Lexia
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> : >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Sherry Gomes
>>>> : >> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 6:38 PM
>>>> : >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'
>>>> : >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> I just bought some bandanas from amazon. You can find almost
>>>> anything there.
>>>> : >> My retired dog never liked any sort of clothing thing on her,
>>>> but I think
>>>> : >> Olga will actually like it. We'll see. they weren't expensive so
>>>> if neither
>>>> : >> likes them it will be ok.
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> Sherry
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> : >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh
>>>> ha
>>>> : >> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 5:42 PM
>>>> : >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users
>>>> : >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> Alyssa,
>>>> : >> I'm glad you found cute bandanas for Sophie--our dogs need to be
>>>> in style
>>>> : >> too. :D
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> As for the winter coat, I definitely think you should get her
>>>> one if she was
>>>> : >> shivering. What kind of dog is she? Viva is a yellow lab but her
>>>> fur is
>>>> : >> super short so she was shivering too when the temperatures got
>>>> down
>>> to
>>>>
>>>> about
>>>> : >> 10 degrees here. I know some dogs don't need a coat because
>>>> their fur is
>>>> : >> nice and thick and that gives them enough protection from the 
>>>> cold.
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> bought
>>>> : >> Viva a simple fleece-lined coat from Petco to give her a little
>>>> bit more
>>>> : >> warmth. Most coats that are sold commercially go underneath the
>>>> harness
>>>>
>>>> so
>>>> : >> you would have to loosen the harness strap to fit it over the 
>>>> coat.
>>> My
>>>>
>>>> mom
>>>> : >> knows how to sew and she's actually going to make Viva a custom
>>> fleece
>>>>
>>>> coat
>>>> : >> over break that can go over the harness. I'm really excited
>>>> about
>>> this
>>>> : >> because it's a pain to have readjusting the harness strap back
>>>> and forth
>>>> : >> depending on whether or not the temperature outside is cold
>>>> enough to
>>>> : >> warrant the coat.
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> Hope this helps,
>>>> : >> Minh
>>>> : >>
>>>> : >> On 12/7/13, Alyssa <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> : >>> Hello all. I'm sorry for posting so many questions lately, but
>>>> this is
>>>> : >>> my first dog and I want to make sure all is right. I'd first
>>>> like to
>>>> : >>> say
>>>> : >> thanks
>>>> : >>> for the bandana suggestions. Sophie has an NIU bandana from our
>>>> : >>> bookstore too. I found a couple cute Christmas ones at Walmart
>>>> for a
>>>> : >>> dollar a piece for anyone else who is looking. And now, the
>>> question.
>>>> : >>> Here in Illinois,
>>>> : >> it
>>>> : >>> got down to 14 degrees last night. I had to take a short walk
>>>> from a
>>>> : >>> building to my friend's car. During this 2 minute walk, Sophie
>>>> began
>>>> : >>> shivering and continued to do so during the 10 minute car ride
>>>> we
>>>> : >>> took. Is this normal? Should I purchase Sophie a winter coat?
>>>> Is there
>>>> : >>> a certain
>>>> : >> one
>>>> : >>> that won't interfere with her harness? All help is appreciated.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> : >>> everyone!
>>>> : >>> Alyssa and Sophie
>>>> : >>>
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