[nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats

Mon Dec 9 20:30:33 UTC 2013

Probably nothing. But, there is a way to use the4m with dogs and if you 
don't know how you're more likely to get into trouble.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats


> Escolator certification?? Can you explain a bit? What happens if someone 
> who
> didn't have escalator certification used an escalator?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 10:01 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
>
> Dear Nicole,
>
> I'm guessing people weren't making sure the dog's nails were trimmed
> closely enough and/or the hair around the feet.
> GDA does not make our dogs wear the boots, but you have to have
> escalator certification in order to use them; some people in class chose 
> not
> to do this.
> Darla & happy Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
> Torcolini
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:12 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Escalators was RE: Bandanas and winter coats
>
> Out of curiosity, why do some of the schools have the dogs wear boots on
> escalators? GDB did not start doing this until after I received Lexia, so 
> I
> never got the full story on it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig Heaps
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>
> Chase wears his boots every day on his back feet to protect him on the
> escalators at BART.  He doesn't mind them at all.
>
> He knows that when we leave the BART station, his job is to find a bench 
> to
> jump up on so I can take his boots off.  It saves my aged old back not to
> have to bend over to take them off.  I just wrap the velcro straps around
> his harness handle and the boots are always within reach.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>
>
>> GDB trains all their dogs with booties during escalators, and then the
>> students in class, to put booties on the dogs to use escalators. I
>> don't ever do escalators, for many reasons, so I never practiced it. I
>> can't imagine Olga liking them much, but who knows.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>> Tolliver
>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:46 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>
>> I too will never forget the day at GEB where the instructors had us
>> put the booties on our dogs. As soon as Kipling started galloping and
>> walking super fast, I died! I laughed so hard, I cried through the
>> majority of the practice session. And the same thing happened the
>> second time, which was outside.
>> The problem with the boots is that dogs cannot feel the ground through
>> the footwear. This is one of the reasons why I prefer my dog to wear
>> thin, latex booties. The product Musher's secret is fantastic because
>> it creates an effective barrier between the salt and cold without
>> depriving a dog of its sense of touch through its feet.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Hahaha, yes. GDB did not yet issue boots when I received Lexia, but
>>> they had them for some of the upcoming classes and let me try them.
>>> And, yes...
>>> She
>>> pranced like a horse. I guess that dogs just don't like stuff
>>> on/around their heds and feet.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug
>>> Parisian
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:47 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>>
>>> To add to the conversation, I've never used a coat for my dogs in
>>> Winnipeg and at present, The wind chill here is minus 40, which is
>>> the same by the way in both selcius and Fahrenheit.  Mind, I'd not
>>> likely spend a lot of time outdoors in this weather, even though
>>> Douglas is currently dogless.
>>>
>>> Further, I've never found boots that either breath, or that don't
>>> absorb moisture.  TSI gave me boots (for my dog, also named Boots)
>>> and she hated them.  I do admit the first time we tried then in
>>> training, I got the giggles listening to this little baby horsy
>>> pattering
> beside me.
>>>
>>> Usually, once I leave the house, I'm on and off at least one bus.  In
>>> winter, others get on the bus and naturally, there are little puddles
>>> on the floor, not due to cold passengers loosing control, but due to
>>> melting
>> snow.
>>>
>>> So, the dog gets on the bus, walks through the puddles with boots
>>> picking up more water than would be with bare feet, gets off and
>>> boots freeze very quickly.  The rest should be obvious.
>>>
>>> The real problem to me is that, unlike dogs, I can dress in super
>>> winter clothing and feel quite warm.  Further, our dogs to not live
>>> out doors so that adapting to the cold, though it certainly does
>>> happen, may not be as rapid nor complete as for the outdoor pups.
>>>
>>> Doug: cold feet, warm heart?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 3:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>>
>>>
>>> : We actually have to adjust as well. After we have acclamated, we
>>> don't shiver so much either. Coats do grow to compensate, specially
>>> if you get out
>>>
>>> a lot.
>>> : CL
>>> :
>>> : On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Shannon Dyer
>>> <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> :
>>> : > I'm not trying to cause offense, but I really don't see why
>>> people buy coats for their dogs. The common breeds (labs, goldens,
>>> etc.) have very good
>>>
>>> coats to keep them warm. Labs are bred to be outdoors.
>>> : >
>>> : > Sure, there might be some initial shivering. My dogs have done
>>> this, but
>>>
>>> I figure they have to adjust to the change in temperature. If we
>>> cover
>> them
>>>
>>> in coats and the like, they'll never adjust.
>>> : >
>>> : > Shannon and the Acelet
>>> : > On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:02 AM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> : >
>>> : >> Lexia has a bunch of bandanas, but most of them are from her
>>> groomer or
>>>
>>> from
>>> : >> the groomer that did the family pet dog back in the day. My
>>> mother
>> did
>>>
>>> buy a
>>> : >> few of the bandanas, but I don't know where she got them. In any
>> case,
>>>
>>> Lexia
>>> : >> does not mind them; I think that she actually likes them.
>>> : >> Now that I live in California, Lexia does not need a Winter coat.
>> When
>>>
>>> I
>>> : >> lived in Washington State, I had one for her that I occasionally
>>> used when
>>> : >> she came in and was damp or wet and cold. It looked a lot like a
>> horse
>>> : >> blanket, but it was not something that a dog would wear outside.
>>> Someone
>>> : >> also made Lexia a sweater. If I remember correctly, it was made
>>> to go over
>>> : >> the harness handle.
>>> : >>
>>> : >> Nicole and Lexia
>>> : >>
>>> : >> -----Original Message-----
>>> : >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Sherry Gomes
>>> : >> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 6:38 PM
>>> : >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> Users'
>>> : >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>> : >>
>>> : >> I just bought some bandanas from amazon. You can find almost
>>> anything there.
>>> : >> My retired dog never liked any sort of clothing thing on her,
>>> but I think
>>> : >> Olga will actually like it. We'll see. they weren't expensive so
>>> if neither
>>> : >> likes them it will be ok.
>>> : >>
>>> : >> Sherry
>>> : >>
>>> : >>
>>> : >>
>>> : >> -----Original Message-----
>>> : >> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh
>>> ha
>>> : >> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> : >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users
>>> : >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Bandanas and winter coats
>>> : >>
>>> : >> Alyssa,
>>> : >> I'm glad you found cute bandanas for Sophie--our dogs need to be
>>> in style
>>> : >> too. :D
>>> : >>
>>> : >> As for the winter coat, I definitely think you should get her
>>> one if she was
>>> : >> shivering. What kind of dog is she? Viva is a yellow lab but her
>>> fur is
>>> : >> super short so she was shivering too when the temperatures got
>>> down
>> to
>>>
>>> about
>>> : >> 10 degrees here. I know some dogs don't need a coat because
>>> their fur is
>>> : >> nice and thick and that gives them enough protection from the cold.
>>> I
>>> bought
>>> : >> Viva a simple fleece-lined coat from Petco to give her a little
>>> bit more
>>> : >> warmth. Most coats that are sold commercially go underneath the
>>> harness
>>>
>>> so
>>> : >> you would have to loosen the harness strap to fit it over the coat.
>> My
>>>
>>> mom
>>> : >> knows how to sew and she's actually going to make Viva a custom
>> fleece
>>>
>>> coat
>>> : >> over break that can go over the harness. I'm really excited
>>> about
>> this
>>> : >> because it's a pain to have readjusting the harness strap back
>>> and forth
>>> : >> depending on whether or not the temperature outside is cold
>>> enough to
>>> : >> warrant the coat.
>>> : >>
>>> : >> Hope this helps,
>>> : >> Minh
>>> : >>
>>> : >> On 12/7/13, Alyssa <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> : >>> Hello all. I'm sorry for posting so many questions lately, but
>>> this is
>>> : >>> my first dog and I want to make sure all is right. I'd first
>>> like to
>>> : >>> say
>>> : >> thanks
>>> : >>> for the bandana suggestions. Sophie has an NIU bandana from our
>>> : >>> bookstore too. I found a couple cute Christmas ones at Walmart
>>> for a
>>> : >>> dollar a piece for anyone else who is looking. And now, the
>> question.
>>> : >>> Here in Illinois,
>>> : >> it
>>> : >>> got down to 14 degrees last night. I had to take a short walk
>>> from a
>>> : >>> building to my friend's car. During this 2 minute walk, Sophie
>>> began
>>> : >>> shivering and continued to do so during the 10 minute car ride
>>> we
>>> : >>> took. Is this normal? Should I purchase Sophie a winter coat?
>>> Is there
>>> : >>> a certain
>>> : >> one
>>> : >>> that won't interfere with her harness? All help is appreciated.
>>> Thanks
>>> : >>> everyone!
>>> : >>> Alyssa and Sophie
>>> : >>>
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