[nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks

L Gwizdak leg1950 at cox.net
Sat Dec 28 19:40:20 UTC 2013 

Howard,
I think the dog in question is a RETIRED or retiring guide and the medical 
things mentioned in your post don't apply.  But it can help if the new guide 
would have the free care but the retired one will have to be paid for.

While I feel for the guy in the story, it is a reality that many of us must 
rehome retired dogs when we get new guides.  It is my reality.  I will have 
to rehome Landon when he retires.  I can only afford to properly care for 
one dog.  I have no other animal pets - my guide is my working guide and 
pet.

Here in CA, if we are low income on SSDI, SSI, or a couple other public 
assistance programs, we get a monthly payment from the State of $50.00 to 
help with guide dog care.  Many vets will give a discount to service dog 
users.

It was nice that this man got public help, but we really shouldn't rely on 
the public to help us keep two dogs - one retired and one working.  My 
understanding of the article is that the man is retiring the dog and will be 
training with a new dog and wants to keep both.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard J. Levine" <WB2HWW at earthlink.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks


> Hi from Howard and Rhett happy Holidays. I would like to say that GEB 
> gives all working guide dogs free medical care at the school in York Town 
> and only thing you need is get the guide dog to school.
>
> Also the AMC medical center in New York city will provide free medical 
> care to any guide dog team that lives in New York state. Medical care is 
> not problem for this person to keep his guide dog.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:57 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>
>
>
> If people are giving money to this man to help him keep his dog, then let 
> it be.  If the school comes in and takes the dog after people have donated 
> money to him, that would be a bad PR move for the school.
>
> Let the public help him and the school should stay out of it.  People have 
> donated money and they want it to go to the man and his dog, if someone 
> comes in and messes that up, that will piss off the people who have 
> donated it, and make the school look like the bad buy.
>
>
> Barb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 10:54:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>
> I feel as though a lot of information is missing. Is the money for the 
> medical costs? If so, then that should be covered by the school from which 
> he received the dog. JMHO, even if a dog has to be retired immediately  or 
> before the medical treatment, a school should pay for any medical 
> treatments required as a result of injuries incurred while the dog was 
> still working, especially if they are a result of the dog doing his/her 
> job. On the other hand, if the money is just for the man to be able to 
> keep the dog, JMHO, that is not appropriate. We all know when we receive a 
> guide dog that anything could happen at any time that could cause our dogs 
> to have to be retired. Hopefully, nothing ever happens, but, sometimes, 
> things do happen and the dog has to be retired. Everyone has different 
> living circumstances, and not everyone can keep his/her retired dog.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rusty Perez
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:47 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>
> This issue of money is interesting.
> I heard the story on the news last night, and the last comment was that 
> the man said he didn't have enough insurance to keep the dog and that it 
> would have to retire in January. The newscaster made it sound like it was 
> lack of insurance causing him to have to retire the dog.
> I know that's not true, so I'm just wondering if the media have 
> misunderstood how most dog schools work.
> The sinical part of me was fearful that this was a ploy for donations.
>
> I know that GDB will cover all medical costs that the handler cannot cover 
> if they are necessary. Reimbursement can be a little troublesome, but it 
> does happen.
> Luckily my current girl has been healthy as healthy can be.
>
> Rusty
>
>
> On 12/19/13, barbandzoe at comcast.net <barbandzoe at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I think the money is going for the medical bills for the dog, and so
>> the man can afford to keep his dog.   He is an older man and maybe the
>> dog is his only good friend.
>> It sounded like the dog wanted him to stay away, and the man didn't
> listen.
>> I hope this man and his dog get the help they need.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Craig Heaps" <craig.heaps at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:05:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>>
>> I ride BART every day to and from work in the Bay Area.  So when I
>> went for training at Guide Dogs for the Blind, I asked for extended
>> training on riding the BART trains.  My trainer emphasized that I
>> should stay away from the edge of the platform and stay in the middle
> until the train has stopped.
>> She had me wait in some narrow areas where I was instructed to stay
>> against the wall until the train stopped.  Chase is also trained to
>> walk me on the side of the platform where he is between me and the
>> near edge.  So even if we're going to position for a train arriving on
>> the right side, he walks me on the left side of the platform to get 
>> there.
>>
>> So far so good.
>>
>> Craig and Chase
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>>
>>
>>> Dear Tracy,
>>>
>>> Seeing Eye made that decision; personally I was very disappointed, as
>>> I wanted to see how my girl would deal with the best New York has to
>>> offer; very odd.  Maybe each class supervisor gets to choose?
>>> I haven't been on too many platforms but with all the people and
>>> junk, I can certainly see even more clearly how anyone might slip off
>>> the platform, though in Mr. Williams' case, it seems to have been
>>> something medical.
>>> Darla & Huck Who are thinking a 10th-anniversary to the Big Apple
>>> mi8ght just be the thing to do
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>> Carcione
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:29 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>>>
>>> Darla, a lot of platforms have the bumps, but I don't think they all do.
>>> Not only are platforms crowded, but many also have pillars,
>>> newsstands, benches, stairwells and assorted junkin the middle so
>>> that one has to walk
>>>
>>> near the edge. I hate walking very far on the platform, but often it
>>> has to be done.
>>>
>>> You went to a quieter part of The City, just because the president
>>> was in town?  Ben and my first trip to the City, Bush was in town,
>>> right where we
>>>
>>> wanted to go. There were massive crowds on the street, with the
>>> Secret Service disrupting everything.  Ben put his tail up and showed
>>> me his Seeing Eye superpowers, and I knew he was the right dog for
>>> me!  Good boy!
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "'New York Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> Does New  York have any detectable warnings?  I am not a real
>>>> experienced subway traveler, but I can easily see, in crowds, how
>>>> one could be pushed or slip off the platform.
>>>> I have only done New York subways with Seeing Eye Instructor;
>>>> because President Obama was in town we had to be in a less busy part
>>>> of the city; I can't imagine doing this every day.
>>>> I pray both the gentleman and his dog have no permanent injuries.
>>>> Darla & Happy Huck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Carcione
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:30 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Cc: New York Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Man and dog fell onto tracks
>>>>
>>>> I just heard a news story on the radio.  A man and his guide dog
> Orlando,
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> black lab, slipped and fell onto the subway tracks at 145th Street
>>>> on
> the
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>> line in New York City.  Luckily, the motorman in the oncoming train
>>>> saw the man fall and slowed the train enough so that he wasn't badly
>>>> hurt.  Both man and dog are in the hospital in stable condition.
>>>> The man on the radio said "Seeing Eye dog", but it might be the
>>>> generic use of the term.
>>>> I was very happy to hear all ended well.  I fell on the tracks once
>>>> myself, and it's a scary place to be.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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