[nagdu] Doggie breath

Fri Feb 1 01:28:23 UTC 2013

I have some doggie breath mints!  They don't smell goo to me, but they do 
take care of the breath!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Wurtzel" <marywurtzel at att.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:43 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Doggie breath


> Hello,
> A change of subject.  How do people keep their dog's breath fresh besides
> tooth brushing?  Thanks.
> Mary
>
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> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:53 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Intelligent disobedience
>
> hello two questions here,
> I couldn't find the spot that says reply to sender.
> If we could see this on our messages, that would help me out, if the
> address isn't in the address book.
> yes the first time I did this with my dog on the subway I was told I got
> pale.
> They shared with me all would be ok.
> they would be there and help out if the dog didn't do what he was
> trained to do.
> I was pleased, and still am pleased with my dog.
> We are a swell match.
>
> Original message:
>> I don't think it is something you necessarily test. At the Seeing Eye,
>> they showed it to us by taking us to a subway platform and telling us
>> to walk forward. Before the dog would get to the edge, it turned left
>> or right and started up or down the track.
>
>> CL
>
>> On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Chasity Jackson wrote:
>
>>> What kind of places have you all used to test your dog's level of
>>> intelligent disobedience?
>
>>> This topic has made me reflect on a past experience I had with my first
>>> guide dog Vanda. We were on the college campus, and I was unaware of
>>> the fact that they had dug up the pavement and there was a huge thirty
>>> foot deep hole there. They were doing some construction outside. I was
>>> trying to cross that driveway and she wouldn't let me, she was very
>>> insistant on it too. She threw her body in front of me and then spun to
>>> the right, as the hole was to our left. I had never seen her so
>>> insistant on getting her way and doing it the way she wanted, and now I
>>> know why.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Intelligent disobedience
>
>
>>>> I think intelligent disobedience is more closely related to confidence
>>>> level than anything else.  A dog basically needs to have the emotional
>>>> ability to say no without crumbling.
>
>>>> Monty is what I'd call very high on the obedience chart.  He very much
>>>> wants to please his people and will go above and beyond to accomplish
>>>> this.  He is also decently high on the confidence scale.  If I want to
>>>> do something dumb he will stick to his decision even after repeated
>>>> attempts to get him to do things my way.  It doesn't seem to bother him
>>>> too much as long as I don't correct or raise my voice.  So I've learned
>>>> when we are standing on the corner and he is refusing to go some
>>>> particular way I need to offer some different options until we can
>>>> agree on one.
>
>>>> Belle is not a very obedient dog and is much lower in confidence.  With
>>>> her I got one chance to figure it out.  If she stopped and I didn't
>>>> take enough time to figure out what was going on and told her to
>>>> continue, she would.  sometimes that was not so great for me.  I don't
>>>> know that she's a good example though.  She was never really cut out to
>>>> be a guide dog.
>
>>>> Tia, my first dog from way back when, was obedient when it suited her,
>>>> but was very confident.  She very much wanted to do things her way all
>>>> the time.  If I suggested some dumb thing she'd wait ever so patiently
>>>> until I saw things her way.  She never gave in to my stupidity.
>
>>>> It's an interesting discussion.  Thanks for bringing it up.
>>>> Julie
>
>>>> On 1/30/2013 2:16 PM, Tami Jarvis wrote:
>>>>> Tracy,
>
>>>>> That's something I've wondered about off and on about guide dogs in
>>>>> general. They're all trained in intelligent disobedience... But how
>>>>> stubborn is the average guide dog about applying that training?
>
>>>>> Mitzi is stubborn and has developed a number of ways of letting me 
>>>>> know
>
>>>>> -- correction: trying to let me know -- that I am being a complete 
>>>>> dumb
>
>>>>> head and would get myself hurt or done in if she didn't go to
>>>>> extraordinary lengths to protect me from myself. /lol/ She is also 
>>>>> very
>
>>>>> good at saying, "I told you so," once I figure it out.
>
>>>>> So now I'm really spoiled, of course. But as Mitzi moves toward the
>>>>> 7-year mark, I do find myself wondering about that trait of hers. I
>>>>> think the major reason I want to do some basic guide dog training with
>>>>> DD's pup Zay is because she is naturally a more obedient type of dog,
>>>>> in the classical concept of obedience. Very eager to please, etc., 
>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>> So I want to find out, using very safe places, if she can take the
>>>>> basic skills and develop some general responsibility, then bump it up
>>>>> to the next level and refuse to let me walk into the street or
> something. Hm...
>
>>>>> My secret fear for the future is that I will inadvertently end up with
>>>>> a guide dog that does what I tell it to, just because I tell it to...
>>>>> Probably because of all the people who take it upon themselves to
>>>>> question Mitzi's fitness (or even ask smart questions in a sensible
>>>>> way) as a guide, since they thought guide dogs are supposed to be
>>>>> totally obedient. /lol/ I used to get really annoyed by that sort of
>>>>> thing, but now I just stare at whoever might bring it up these days in
>>>>> horror, then burst out laughing. OMG! I would be soooo doomed! /lol/
>
>>>>> Tami
>
>>>>> On 01/30/2013 10:02 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>>>>> Sometimes I get mixed up about exactly where I am, and tell Ben to do
>>>>>> something dumb, like turn to cross the street before we get to the
>>>>>> crosswalk.  He says No, and I insist, and he insists back, and, after
> 2
>>>>>> or 3 times, I finally get it through my fat head that this time he is
>>>>>> right and I am wrong, and I tell him how great he is.
>>>>>> I know all guide dogs do intelligent disobedience, but do they all
>>>>>> insist when their silly user persists in wrong-headedness?  Or is 
>>>>>> this
> a
>>>>>> special feature I need to remember to mention, when it comes time for
>>>>>> New Dog? Actually, I did just tell Seeing Eye to put it in my record
>>>>>> that I need a dog who insists, but I wonder if it really goes without
>>>>>> saying.  But then, some things I think go without saying apparently
> don't.
>>>>>> So, do all guide dogs insist in disobedience, even in small things
> like
>>>>>> the right place to cross the street?
>>>>>> Tracy
>
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