[nagdu] Intelligent disobedience

[Lyn Gwizdak]

It's more like the "Forward" command is actually a request and not the same 
as "Sit" as a thing they MUST do.  The "Forward" request actually means, "Go 
forward IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO."  It isn't really disobedience like the 
disobedience of blowing you off when you command "Sit!"  The dog has to look 
at the situation and make an intelligent response to what situation it sees 
before the team.  They have to think before blindly obeying a command.  The 
work commands actually are requests and not hard commands like the sit, 
rest, down, etc.  I don't know why this process is called "intelligent 
disobedience" anyway.  It is actual intelligent THINKING and then ACTING ON 
WHAT IT SEES for our safety.  What well educated doggies we have! LOL!

Lyn and Landon

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Intelligent disobedience


>I agree with you Julie. The dog is actually doing a trained behavior. They 
>have been taught "forward" means go into the street...but, they have also 
>been taught that "forward" means do not move, if there is a car or 
>something else unsafe approaching etc. They are obeying, but they are 
>having to dig deeper in their memory banks to recall less frequently used 
>tasks. Just like the fact that Dayton recalls exactly how to work a fully 
>blocked sidewalk, even if we haven't had to do that in well over a year. He 
>remembers the expected behavior. I am rambling now, but I hope my point is 
>in here somewhere.
>
> Meghan
>
>
> On 2/7/2013 7:06 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>> You know, it's always kind of bothered me that the most important thing a 
>> guide does is called disobedient.
>>
>> Why couldn't we call it intelligent obedience?  Because seriously the dog 
>> is trained to avoid traffic.  It is being obedient.  Or what about 
>> hierarchical obedience?  Or priority obedience?
>>
>> Or maybe this is just me thinking too hard again? *smile*
>>
>> Julie
>>
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