[nagdu] Intelligent disobedience

[Larry D. Keeler]

Yah, and you can tell the difference!  Sometimes you say frward and they do 
blow you off!  But mostly they do work well! o
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Intelligent disobedience


> It's more like the "Forward" command is actually a request and not the 
> same as "Sit" as a thing they MUST do.  The "Forward" request actually 
> means, "Go forward IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO."  It isn't really disobedience 
> like the disobedience of blowing you off when you command "Sit!"  The dog 
> has to look at the situation and make an intelligent response to what 
> situation it sees before the team.  They have to think before blindly 
> obeying a command.  The work commands actually are requests and not hard 
> commands like the sit, rest, down, etc.  I don't know why this process is 
> called "intelligent disobedience" anyway.  It is actual intelligent 
> THINKING and then ACTING ON WHAT IT SEES for our safety.  What well 
> educated doggies we have! LOL!
>
> Lyn and Landon
>
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Intelligent disobedience
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>
>>I agree with you Julie. The dog is actually doing a trained behavior. They 
>>have been taught "forward" means go into the street...but, they have also 
>>been taught that "forward" means do not move, if there is a car or 
>>something else unsafe approaching etc. They are obeying, but they are 
>>having to dig deeper in their memory banks to recall less frequently used 
>>tasks. Just like the fact that Dayton recalls exactly how to work a fully 
>>blocked sidewalk, even if we haven't had to do that in well over a year. 
>>He remembers the expected behavior. I am rambling now, but I hope my point 
>>is in here somewhere.
>>
>> Meghan
>>
>>
>> On 2/7/2013 7:06 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>> You know, it's always kind of bothered me that the most important thing 
>>> a guide does is called disobedient.
>>>
>>> Why couldn't we call it intelligent obedience?  Because seriously the 
>>> dog is trained to avoid traffic.  It is being obedient.  Or what about 
>>> hierarchical obedience?  Or priority obedience?
>>>
>>> Or maybe this is just me thinking too hard again? *smile*
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
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