[nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take pictures of your dog

Wed Feb 13 01:30:37 UTC 2013

Marsha, if it's all right, I'd like to comment on the orginal discussion?

Personally, I'd be bothered, whether I was asked or not, by someone wanting
to take a picture of my dog (especially if they expected me to be in it).
 To me, wanting a picture of me with a guide dog means that they see me as
something worth noting, something "odd" or "unusual" - why else take a
photo?  It's one thing if it's a friend who wants to keep a memory, but a
stranger is just not okay. I am not all right with being seein as something
"cool" for people to remember. If they asked, I'd be polite and say no, but
if they didn't, I'd be pretty infuriated.

Now, if they just wanted a picture of the dog because it was pretty (hey, I
LOVE pictures of dogs!) then that's different. But if it's the fact that
it's a GUIDE DOG that they're interested in, I'm not cool with that. My
guide dog - just like my CCTV or my cane - is to benefit me, not to bring
amusement to others.

I hope that makes sense.  I get pretty sensitive about people making a big
deal about my disability, and taking a photo is just one way that happens.
 And again, this is just coming from a place of not having a dog yet, but
it's my immediate reaction upon hearing the discussion in this thread.

And again, Marsha, I hope it's all right that I came back to this thread
since I was discussing the original point? If not, sorry!

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>wrote:

> Ok this thread goes no further. Its about blindness, but not guide dogs.
> so unless we can all relate it to our pups, no more posting on this subject.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marsha drenth, NAGDU List Moderator
> Sent with my IPhone
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>
> On Feb 12, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Gee, Eve,
> > This all soounds like a dialog out of the LGBT community when people
> dump on the "straight-acting" who can "pass" in straight society and the
> "out, prouod and loud" types who make the straight acting ones cringe. The
> "straight acting" folks cringe because I am not a part of that camp.  Us
> out and visible folks see this and we tend to diss the other folks - which
> I try not to do.  No different whether it's LGBTs , blind folks, or other
> disabled folks.  Makes my head hurt! LOL!  I've known partially blind folks
> acting like this to the totally blind.  I once knew this partially sighted
> woman who was actually - she admitted it - that she was embarrassed to be
> around the totals - and around guide dog users.  Well, guess what?  She
> lost the remainder of her vision and got a guide dog!
> >
> > Yeah, like I said in my previous post, some totally blind have dissed
> those of us with some sight.  Unfortunately, I have seen this alot among
> some NFB members!  I've been made to feel not as good in NFB because I have
> some usable sight.  But, I just blew that all off - can't hide being blind
> or LGBT and feel that folks just have to get over themselves about it.  I
> am not ashamed to be blind, use a white cane or guide dog.  And I think you
> are the same way.
> >
> > Larry, yeah, we need to stop the divisions between those who have
> remaining sight and those who do not.  We all lose as a community while we
> all fight over who has sight or not.  I agree with you guys.  I am glad
> that there isn't so much of that going on here in our blind community in
> San Diego. Amounts of vision people have is pretty fluid with eye
> conditions that improve or go south!
> >
> > Lyn and Landon
> >
> > "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
> pictures of your dog
> >
> >
> >> I agree with most everything that you said except that I always see
> the, I
> >> hate to say it, 'totals' thinking they are better as they are more
> blind or
> >> really blind. I have dealt with most of my life, never fitting in
> anywhere
> >> and even had to deal with when i was getting my present dog, from
> another
> >> student.  All of that aside, I love your chopstick analogy. Great!
> Blessed
> >> Be. Eve
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I need to work with my dog with his booties.
> >>> That is a swell idea in a parade to have him wear them.
> >>> I would love to see us in the Christmas parade this year.
> >>> How far advanced do you need to plan for this?
> >>>
> >>> Original message:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Eve,
> >>>> I can see what you mean about the labels, "partials or sighteds" and
> >>>> "Totals" and the stigmas attached to them.  This sucks but is
> reality. It
> >>>> is like in the Black community light skinned or dark skinned and the
> >>>> stigma
> >>>> is more on the dark skinned as the totals are looked upon as less in
> the
> >>>> blind community.  On both couonts it is wrong!
> >>>
> >>> You should NEVER play second fiddle to anyone else just because they
> may
> >>>> possess more or full eyesight.  I've seen this behavior mainly in the
> >>>> blind
> >>>> schools where some people feel the need to dump on someone else -
> well,
> >>>> the
> >>>> totals.  Partials have some sight so they would be in the "sighted
> camp"
> >>>> even though partials get crap from both sides - fully sighted (you're
> not
> >>>> really blind - you're faking it!) or totals who may begrudge partials
> for
> >>>> having some sighted privilege.  But we all - totals and partials -
> really
> >>>> get the crap from society that decides what we can or can't do based
> on
> >>>> misconceptions, fear, and plain old bigotry rather than going to the
> >>>> experts - those of us with the blindness.
> >>>
> >>> The truth is that we are all blind and we all have alot of challenges
> >>>> although they may vary.  I have friends who are fully sighted,
> partially
> >>>> sighted, and totally blind - makes no difference to me.  I judge them
> on
> >>>> what kind of person they are.  Yeah, I'm a low partial - I use a guide
> >>>> dog.
> >>>> I used to be a high partial when I was a teenager and I rode my bike
> all
> >>>> over town.  I agree, we should junk the labels and just become people
> with
> >>>> some extra issues to be dealt with.
> >>>
> >>> Oh yeah, I don't care who takes my dog's picture.  Landon's wound up on
> >>>> people's Facebook! They all ask me first.  Landon was doing something
> cute
> >>>> like lie with his head up and his front legs crossed like he was
> royalty!
> >>>> I
> >>>> saw the pix and thought they were very cute.  They didn't take my
> picture
> >>>> -
> >>>> just the dog.  The people who took the pix then asked me about guide
> dogs
> >>>> and I used it as a learning/teaching moment. I have some of these
> cute pix
> >>>> on my own Facebook timeline and i don't mind if my FB friends share
> them.
> >>>> Many of these friends love Landon!  LOL!  Oh, who knows how many pix
> get
> >>>> taken of Landon with his booties on as we march in the Pride Parade!
> >>>> Maybe
> >>>> seeing Landon in booties will remind them to use booties on their own
> dogs
> >>>> on hot pavement.  One never knows.
> >>>
> >>> Take care,
> >>>
> >>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
> like
> >>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:02 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
> >>>> pictures of your dog
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have no problem with my dog getting her picture taken as long as no
> one
> >>>>> talks to her and I am not in the picture without knowing. I may be
> having
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> fat day or not have my makeup on or something. My dog is not as vain.
> >>>>> What
> >>>>> does piss me off, in a side note, is the designation between sighted
> and
> >>>>> totals. This always seems to come from the 'total' as they like to
> call
> >>>>> themselves as seems to be a type of prejudice in that they feel they
> are
> >>>>> more disabled or more blind than others. Sorry to vent on this, but
> it
> >>>>> really pisses me off and I know I am not the only one who feels this
> way
> >>>>> though many people will not say so. I would appreciate the terms
> going
> >>>>> away. Thanks for the opportunity to get my word out. Eve
> >>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, cheryl echevarria
> >>>>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes I am also with Lion International and the Brentwood Chamber of
> >>>>>> Commerce and other Travel Agent Organizations.
> >>>>>> But I do not let anyone come up to me and take a picture of me or
> Maxx.
> >>>>>> These are different situations.
> >>>>>> Have a great day to all. Bright and sunny after the Blizzard. Um
> isn't
> >>>>>> Nemo a fish and Captain Nemo for 20,000 leagues under the sea, I
> just
> >>>>>> don't
> >>>>>> know where they get the names of these storms from.
> >>>>>> Lol.
> >>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> >>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
> Travel
> >>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerhttp://
> >>>>>> www.echevarriatravel.com631-**456-5394reservations@**
> >>>>>>
> echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**wordpress.com2012
> >>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> >>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
> >>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
> Federation
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
> >>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <http://www.nfbny.org/
> >
> >>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy and
> >>>>>> other resources. Any vacation package booked between November 6
> >>>>>> 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be traveled no later than
> >>>>>> 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the affiliate.
>  Also
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families and friends
> >>>>>> resorts
> >>>>>> vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the affiliate as well.
>  You do
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book through us.
> >>>
> >>>  From: lkeeler at comcast.net
> >>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:22:35 -0500
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
> take
> >>>>>> pictures of your dog
> >>>  Cheryl, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.  I have a picture of
> >>>>>>> Holly
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I with the bishop.  I also have a couple with the Knights of
> Columbus.
> >>>>>> AIn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> these cases, I allowed it to prove that these organizations will
> admit
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> approve of blind folks and there service animals.
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:05 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
> >>>>>> pictures
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of your dog
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Good morning everyone:
> >>>>>>>> Nelson is busy shoveling the snow outside from Nemo, Blizzard
> 2013.
> >>>>>>>> Anyway, while I was in Washington, D.C. this past week with some
> of
> >>>>>>> you. I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> was talking with some members of the Utah Chapter and a woman, who
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> a member of the NFB, a guest in the hotel asked me if she could
> take
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> picture of Maxx.
> >>>>>>>> I said no. She asked me why. Well first I said, "Because I do not
> >>>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> dog all over social media from strangers that I do not know", she
> >>>>>>> became
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> quite obnoxious about it. I put it to her this way. I said are you
> a
> >>>>>>>> parent, she said yes. Well would you like any of your family or
> >>>>>>> children
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> to have there pictures taken by strangers posted all over the
> >>>>>>>> internet.
> >>>>>>>> That is not right.
> >>>>>>>> Then she got it and understood.
> >>>>>>>> Have you had the same issues. Sometime someone tells me that they
> >>>>>>>> took
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> picture of me and the dog, and I get upset, only because they
> didn't
> >>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and the same issue. I should be the one to post pictures and videos
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and maxx if I want, but not strangers.
> >>>>>>>> Cheryl
> >>>  Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> >>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
> >>>>>>>> Travel
> >>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
> >>>>>>>> Ownerhttp://www.**echevarriatravel.com631-456-**5394reservations
> >>>>>>>
> @echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**wordpress.com2012
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> >>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
> >>>>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
> >>>>>>> Federation
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
> >>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <
> http://www.nfbny.org/>
> >>>>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy
> >>>>>>> and other resources. Any
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013
> and
> >>>>>>>> vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage
> of my
> >>>>>>>> earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for
> >>>>>>> couples
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per
> >>>>>>> booking
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a member
> of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NFB.org, just book through us.
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