[nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take pictures of your dog

Eve Sanchez celticyaya at gmail.com
Wed Feb 13 15:29:28 UTC 2013 

Kody, You make a valid point. I said I did not mind having my dog's picture
taken, it does not matter to me. But if her picture is wanted because she
is a tool for me, a blind person, then yeah, I would likely object. Had not
thought of it in this manner. Thanks. I would not have, by the way, if the
thread was not allowed to get here and I do not ask permission to speak.
Sorry. Eve

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Kody Keplinger <kodytheduff at gmail.com>wrote:

> Marsha, if it's all right, I'd like to comment on the orginal discussion?
>
> Personally, I'd be bothered, whether I was asked or not, by someone wanting
> to take a picture of my dog (especially if they expected me to be in it).
>  To me, wanting a picture of me with a guide dog means that they see me as
> something worth noting, something "odd" or "unusual" - why else take a
> photo?  It's one thing if it's a friend who wants to keep a memory, but a
> stranger is just not okay. I am not all right with being seein as something
> "cool" for people to remember. If they asked, I'd be polite and say no, but
> if they didn't, I'd be pretty infuriated.
>
> Now, if they just wanted a picture of the dog because it was pretty (hey, I
> LOVE pictures of dogs!) then that's different. But if it's the fact that
> it's a GUIDE DOG that they're interested in, I'm not cool with that. My
> guide dog - just like my CCTV or my cane - is to benefit me, not to bring
> amusement to others.
>
> I hope that makes sense.  I get pretty sensitive about people making a big
> deal about my disability, and taking a photo is just one way that happens.
>  And again, this is just coming from a place of not having a dog yet, but
> it's my immediate reaction upon hearing the discussion in this thread.
>
> And again, Marsha, I hope it's all right that I came back to this thread
> since I was discussing the original point? If not, sorry!
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Ok this thread goes no further. Its about blindness, but not guide dogs.
> > so unless we can all relate it to our pups, no more posting on this
> subject.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Marsha drenth, NAGDU List Moderator
> > Sent with my IPhone
> > http://adventureswith2feet4paws.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Gee, Eve,
> > > This all soounds like a dialog out of the LGBT community when people
> > dump on the "straight-acting" who can "pass" in straight society and the
> > "out, prouod and loud" types who make the straight acting ones cringe.
> The
> > "straight acting" folks cringe because I am not a part of that camp.  Us
> > out and visible folks see this and we tend to diss the other folks -
> which
> > I try not to do.  No different whether it's LGBTs , blind folks, or other
> > disabled folks.  Makes my head hurt! LOL!  I've known partially blind
> folks
> > acting like this to the totally blind.  I once knew this partially
> sighted
> > woman who was actually - she admitted it - that she was embarrassed to be
> > around the totals - and around guide dog users.  Well, guess what?  She
> > lost the remainder of her vision and got a guide dog!
> > >
> > > Yeah, like I said in my previous post, some totally blind have dissed
> > those of us with some sight.  Unfortunately, I have seen this alot among
> > some NFB members!  I've been made to feel not as good in NFB because I
> have
> > some usable sight.  But, I just blew that all off - can't hide being
> blind
> > or LGBT and feel that folks just have to get over themselves about it.  I
> > am not ashamed to be blind, use a white cane or guide dog.  And I think
> you
> > are the same way.
> > >
> > > Larry, yeah, we need to stop the divisions between those who have
> > remaining sight and those who do not.  We all lose as a community while
> we
> > all fight over who has sight or not.  I agree with you guys.  I am glad
> > that there isn't so much of that going on here in our blind community in
> > San Diego. Amounts of vision people have is pretty fluid with eye
> > conditions that improve or go south!
> > >
> > > Lyn and Landon
> > >
> > > "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
> > like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com
> >
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
> > pictures of your dog
> > >
> > >
> > >> I agree with most everything that you said except that I always see
> > the, I
> > >> hate to say it, 'totals' thinking they are better as they are more
> > blind or
> > >> really blind. I have dealt with most of my life, never fitting in
> > anywhere
> > >> and even had to deal with when i was getting my present dog, from
> > another
> > >> student.  All of that aside, I love your chopstick analogy. Great!
> > Blessed
> > >> Be. Eve
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I need to work with my dog with his booties.
> > >>> That is a swell idea in a parade to have him wear them.
> > >>> I would love to see us in the Christmas parade this year.
> > >>> How far advanced do you need to plan for this?
> > >>>
> > >>> Original message:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Eve,
> > >>>> I can see what you mean about the labels, "partials or sighteds" and
> > >>>> "Totals" and the stigmas attached to them.  This sucks but is
> > reality. It
> > >>>> is like in the Black community light skinned or dark skinned and the
> > >>>> stigma
> > >>>> is more on the dark skinned as the totals are looked upon as less in
> > the
> > >>>> blind community.  On both couonts it is wrong!
> > >>>
> > >>> You should NEVER play second fiddle to anyone else just because they
> > may
> > >>>> possess more or full eyesight.  I've seen this behavior mainly in
> the
> > >>>> blind
> > >>>> schools where some people feel the need to dump on someone else -
> > well,
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> totals.  Partials have some sight so they would be in the "sighted
> > camp"
> > >>>> even though partials get crap from both sides - fully sighted
> (you're
> > not
> > >>>> really blind - you're faking it!) or totals who may begrudge
> partials
> > for
> > >>>> having some sighted privilege.  But we all - totals and partials -
> > really
> > >>>> get the crap from society that decides what we can or can't do based
> > on
> > >>>> misconceptions, fear, and plain old bigotry rather than going to the
> > >>>> experts - those of us with the blindness.
> > >>>
> > >>> The truth is that we are all blind and we all have alot of challenges
> > >>>> although they may vary.  I have friends who are fully sighted,
> > partially
> > >>>> sighted, and totally blind - makes no difference to me.  I judge
> them
> > on
> > >>>> what kind of person they are.  Yeah, I'm a low partial - I use a
> guide
> > >>>> dog.
> > >>>> I used to be a high partial when I was a teenager and I rode my bike
> > all
> > >>>> over town.  I agree, we should junk the labels and just become
> people
> > with
> > >>>> some extra issues to be dealt with.
> > >>>
> > >>> Oh yeah, I don't care who takes my dog's picture.  Landon's wound up
> on
> > >>>> people's Facebook! They all ask me first.  Landon was doing
> something
> > cute
> > >>>> like lie with his head up and his front legs crossed like he was
> > royalty!
> > >>>> I
> > >>>> saw the pix and thought they were very cute.  They didn't take my
> > picture
> > >>>> -
> > >>>> just the dog.  The people who took the pix then asked me about guide
> > dogs
> > >>>> and I used it as a learning/teaching moment. I have some of these
> > cute pix
> > >>>> on my own Facebook timeline and i don't mind if my FB friends share
> > them.
> > >>>> Many of these friends love Landon!  LOL!  Oh, who knows how many pix
> > get
> > >>>> taken of Landon with his booties on as we march in the Pride Parade!
> > >>>> Maybe
> > >>>> seeing Landon in booties will remind them to use booties on their
> own
> > dogs
> > >>>> on hot pavement.  One never knows.
> > >>>
> > >>> Take care,
> > >>>
> > >>> Lyn and Landon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
> > like
> > >>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
> > >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:02 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
> take
> > >>>> pictures of your dog
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have no problem with my dog getting her picture taken as long as no
> > one
> > >>>>> talks to her and I am not in the picture without knowing. I may be
> > having
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> fat day or not have my makeup on or something. My dog is not as
> vain.
> > >>>>> What
> > >>>>> does piss me off, in a side note, is the designation between
> sighted
> > and
> > >>>>> totals. This always seems to come from the 'total' as they like to
> > call
> > >>>>> themselves as seems to be a type of prejudice in that they feel
> they
> > are
> > >>>>> more disabled or more blind than others. Sorry to vent on this, but
> > it
> > >>>>> really pisses me off and I know I am not the only one who feels
> this
> > way
> > >>>>> though many people will not say so. I would appreciate the terms
> > going
> > >>>>> away. Thanks for the opportunity to get my word out. Eve
> > >>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, cheryl echevarria
> > >>>>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes I am also with Lion International and the Brentwood Chamber of
> > >>>>>> Commerce and other Travel Agent Organizations.
> > >>>>>> But I do not let anyone come up to me and take a picture of me or
> > Maxx.
> > >>>>>> These are different situations.
> > >>>>>> Have a great day to all. Bright and sunny after the Blizzard. Um
> > isn't
> > >>>>>> Nemo a fish and Captain Nemo for 20,000 leagues under the sea, I
> > just
> > >>>>>> don't
> > >>>>>> know where they get the names of these storms from.
> > >>>>>> Lol.
> > >>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> > >>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
> > Travel
> > >>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerhttp://
> > >>>>>> www.echevarriatravel.com631-**456-5394reservations@**
> > >>>>>>
> > echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**wordpress.com2012
> > >>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> > >>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
> > >>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
> > Federation
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
> > >>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <
> http://www.nfbny.org/> <http://www.nfbny.org/
> > >
> > >>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy and
> > >>>>>> other resources. Any vacation package booked between November 6
> > >>>>>> 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be traveled no later than
> > >>>>>> 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the affiliate.
> >  Also
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>> you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families and friends
> > >>>>>> resorts
> > >>>>>> vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the affiliate as well.
> >  You do
> > >>>>>> not
> > >>>>>> need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book through us.
> > >>>
> > >>>  From: lkeeler at comcast.net
> > >>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:22:35 -0500
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
> > take
> > >>>>>> pictures of your dog
> > >>>  Cheryl, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.  I have a picture of
> > >>>>>>> Holly
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I with the bishop.  I also have a couple with the Knights of
> > Columbus.
> > >>>>>> AIn
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> these cases, I allowed it to prove that these organizations will
> > admit
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> approve of blind folks and there service animals.
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:05 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
> > >>>>>> pictures
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> of your dog
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Good morning everyone:
> > >>>>>>>> Nelson is busy shoveling the snow outside from Nemo, Blizzard
> > 2013.
> > >>>>>>>> Anyway, while I was in Washington, D.C. this past week with some
> > of
> > >>>>>>> you. I
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> was talking with some members of the Utah Chapter and a woman,
> who
> > >>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>> not
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> a member of the NFB, a guest in the hotel asked me if she could
> > take
> > >>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>> picture of Maxx.
> > >>>>>>>> I said no. She asked me why. Well first I said, "Because I do
> not
> > >>>>>>>> want
> > >>>>>>> my
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> dog all over social media from strangers that I do not know", she
> > >>>>>>> became
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> quite obnoxious about it. I put it to her this way. I said are
> you
> > a
> > >>>>>>>> parent, she said yes. Well would you like any of your family or
> > >>>>>>> children
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> to have there pictures taken by strangers posted all over the
> > >>>>>>>> internet.
> > >>>>>>>> That is not right.
> > >>>>>>>> Then she got it and understood.
> > >>>>>>>> Have you had the same issues. Sometime someone tells me that
> they
> > >>>>>>>> took
> > >>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> picture of me and the dog, and I get upset, only because they
> > didn't
> > >>>>>>> ask
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and the same issue. I should be the one to post pictures and
> videos
> > >>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> me
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and maxx if I want, but not strangers.
> > >>>>>>>> Cheryl
> > >>>  Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
> > >>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
> > >>>>>>>> Travel
> > >>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
> > >>>>>>>> Ownerhttp://www.**echevarriatravel.com631-456-**5394reservations
> > >>>>>>>
> > @echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**wordpress.com2012
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
> > >>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST
> -
> > >>>>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
> > >>>>>>> Federation
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <
> http://www.nfbny.org/> <
> > http://www.nfbny.org/>
> > >>>>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy
> > >>>>>>> and other resources. Any
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013
> > and
> > >>>>>>>> vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage
> > of my
> > >>>>>>>> earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals
> for
> > >>>>>>> couples
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per
> > >>>>>>> booking
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a member
> > of
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> NFB.org, just book through us.
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