[nagdu] Guide dogs and community events like parades

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Wed Feb 13 20:17:03 UTC 2013


I'd get around the fee!  Of course, I've mentioned the the abov Knights.  I 
have also taken Holly to our Commission on Disability issues meetings and 
public functions.  We go to wrestling and track events at the local high 
school.  We've been to concerts and powwows.  Fund raising events for NFB 
and other organizations and finally, we always just hang out!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Guide dogs and community events like parades


> Hey, I'm going to change the subject line for this.  I have told about the 
> civic events I participate in with my dog.  What kinds of things do 
> listers do in their own communities?
>
> Eve, you're right on this about participating in parades.  Many 4H clubs 
> have guide dog puppies on floats or walking during community parades. 
> Some parade organizers want a participation fee for marching in their 
> parade. usually these fee go to pay for the expenses of putting on the 
> parade - security, police, street closures, etc.
>
> These kinds of events are great!  They are fun and a way to further 
> educate the public about guide dogs - people LOVE dogs and puppies.  I 
> like that idea of having local NFB chapters being in local parades and 
> having a table at a street fair.  The fees for these activities vary with 
> the event and location.  Our blind community center used to do a booth at 
> a street fair until the fee got too high to make it worth the effort for 
> us.  This may not happen in smaller towns that have a street fair.  County 
> fairs are great places to do this as well.  One year, there was a guide 
> dog puppy and guide dog demonstration at our County Fair.  This was done 
> along with other working dog demonstrations.  My dog always was soooo 
> interested in the ducks that the herding dogs corralled into a pen - 
> especially my shepherds!  LOL!
>
> Lyn and Landon
>
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take 
> pictures of your dog
>
>
>> Also, to the person wanting to be in a parade with their guide dog, If 
>> you
>> are not already involved in an organization that participates in parades,
>> you could instigate. I am guessing you may be involved with a local NFB
>> chapter, get them motivated to be in a parade then set up a booth at the
>> end of the route if there is something going on and use the opportunity 
>> for
>> education or just have fun.   Pretty much any group you are involved in
>> could do something. Do you work? Does your spouse work? Do your kids 
>> belong
>> to clubs or sports groups? Everyone is welcome in community parades, it
>> just takes signing up. I have done this before with my 4H club and plan 
>> on
>> getting my writing group in one this year. If you do not know how to
>> proceed, contact you local Chamber of Commerce. Have fun and your dog 
>> will
>> totally enjoy it, as long as you take care of him like Lyn suggested with
>> booties or whatever is needed. Blessed Be. Eve
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Kody Keplinger 
>> <kodytheduff at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Marsha, if it's all right, I'd like to comment on the orginal 
>>> discussion?
>>>
>>> Personally, I'd be bothered, whether I was asked or not, by someone 
>>> wanting
>>> to take a picture of my dog (especially if they expected me to be in 
>>> it).
>>>  To me, wanting a picture of me with a guide dog means that they see me 
>>> as
>>> something worth noting, something "odd" or "unusual" - why else take a
>>> photo?  It's one thing if it's a friend who wants to keep a memory, but 
>>> a
>>> stranger is just not okay. I am not all right with being seein as 
>>> something
>>> "cool" for people to remember. If they asked, I'd be polite and say no, 
>>> but
>>> if they didn't, I'd be pretty infuriated.
>>>
>>> Now, if they just wanted a picture of the dog because it was pretty 
>>> (hey, I
>>> LOVE pictures of dogs!) then that's different. But if it's the fact that
>>> it's a GUIDE DOG that they're interested in, I'm not cool with that. My
>>> guide dog - just like my CCTV or my cane - is to benefit me, not to 
>>> bring
>>> amusement to others.
>>>
>>> I hope that makes sense.  I get pretty sensitive about people making a 
>>> big
>>> deal about my disability, and taking a photo is just one way that 
>>> happens.
>>>  And again, this is just coming from a place of not having a dog yet, 
>>> but
>>> it's my immediate reaction upon hearing the discussion in this thread.
>>>
>>> And again, Marsha, I hope it's all right that I came back to this thread
>>> since I was discussing the original point? If not, sorry!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Ok this thread goes no further. Its about blindness, but not guide 
>>> > dogs.
>>> > so unless we can all relate it to our pups, no more posting on this
>>> subject.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> >
>>> > Marsha drenth, NAGDU List Moderator
>>> > Sent with my IPhone
>>> > http://adventureswith2feet4paws.blogspot.com
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 12, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Gee, Eve,
>>> > > This all soounds like a dialog out of the LGBT community when people
>>> > dump on the "straight-acting" who can "pass" in straight society and 
>>> > the
>>> > "out, prouod and loud" types who make the straight acting ones cringe.
>>> The
>>> > "straight acting" folks cringe because I am not a part of that camp. 
>>> > Us
>>> > out and visible folks see this and we tend to diss the other folks -
>>> which
>>> > I try not to do.  No different whether it's LGBTs , blind folks, or 
>>> > other
>>> > disabled folks.  Makes my head hurt! LOL!  I've known partially blind
>>> folks
>>> > acting like this to the totally blind.  I once knew this partially
>>> sighted
>>> > woman who was actually - she admitted it - that she was embarrassed to 
>>> > be
>>> > around the totals - and around guide dog users.  Well, guess what? 
>>> > She
>>> > lost the remainder of her vision and got a guide dog!
>>> > >
>>> > > Yeah, like I said in my previous post, some totally blind have 
>>> > > dissed
>>> > those of us with some sight.  Unfortunately, I have seen this alot 
>>> > among
>>> > some NFB members!  I've been made to feel not as good in NFB because I
>>> have
>>> > some usable sight.  But, I just blew that all off - can't hide being
>>> blind
>>> > or LGBT and feel that folks just have to get over themselves about it. 
>>> > I
>>> > am not ashamed to be blind, use a white cane or guide dog.  And I 
>>> > think
>>> you
>>> > are the same way.
>>> > >
>>> > > Larry, yeah, we need to stop the divisions between those who have
>>> > remaining sight and those who do not.  We all lose as a community 
>>> > while
>>> we
>>> > all fight over who has sight or not.  I agree with you guys.  I am 
>>> > glad
>>> > that there isn't so much of that going on here in our blind community 
>>> > in
>>> > San Diego. Amounts of vision people have is pretty fluid with eye
>>> > conditions that improve or go south!
>>> > >
>>> > > Lyn and Landon
>>> > >
>>> > > "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>> > like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" 
>>> > > <celticyaya at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> > > <
>>> > nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:52 PM
>>> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to 
>>> > > take
>>> > pictures of your dog
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> I agree with most everything that you said except that I always see
>>> > the, I
>>> > >> hate to say it, 'totals' thinking they are better as they are more
>>> > blind or
>>> > >> really blind. I have dealt with most of my life, never fitting in
>>> > anywhere
>>> > >> and even had to deal with when i was getting my present dog, from
>>> > another
>>> > >> student.  All of that aside, I love your chopstick analogy. Great!
>>> > Blessed
>>> > >> Be. Eve
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> I need to work with my dog with his booties.
>>> > >>> That is a swell idea in a parade to have him wear them.
>>> > >>> I would love to see us in the Christmas parade this year.
>>> > >>> How far advanced do you need to plan for this?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Original message:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Hi Eve,
>>> > >>>> I can see what you mean about the labels, "partials or sighteds" 
>>> > >>>> and
>>> > >>>> "Totals" and the stigmas attached to them.  This sucks but is
>>> > reality. It
>>> > >>>> is like in the Black community light skinned or dark skinned and 
>>> > >>>> the
>>> > >>>> stigma
>>> > >>>> is more on the dark skinned as the totals are looked upon as less 
>>> > >>>> in
>>> > the
>>> > >>>> blind community.  On both couonts it is wrong!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> You should NEVER play second fiddle to anyone else just because 
>>> > >>> they
>>> > may
>>> > >>>> possess more or full eyesight.  I've seen this behavior mainly in
>>> the
>>> > >>>> blind
>>> > >>>> schools where some people feel the need to dump on someone else -
>>> > well,
>>> > >>>> the
>>> > >>>> totals.  Partials have some sight so they would be in the 
>>> > >>>> "sighted
>>> > camp"
>>> > >>>> even though partials get crap from both sides - fully sighted
>>> (you're
>>> > not
>>> > >>>> really blind - you're faking it!) or totals who may begrudge
>>> partials
>>> > for
>>> > >>>> having some sighted privilege.  But we all - totals and 
>>> > >>>> partials -
>>> > really
>>> > >>>> get the crap from society that decides what we can or can't do 
>>> > >>>> based
>>> > on
>>> > >>>> misconceptions, fear, and plain old bigotry rather than going to 
>>> > >>>> the
>>> > >>>> experts - those of us with the blindness.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> The truth is that we are all blind and we all have alot of 
>>> > >>> challenges
>>> > >>>> although they may vary.  I have friends who are fully sighted,
>>> > partially
>>> > >>>> sighted, and totally blind - makes no difference to me.  I judge
>>> them
>>> > on
>>> > >>>> what kind of person they are.  Yeah, I'm a low partial - I use a
>>> guide
>>> > >>>> dog.
>>> > >>>> I used to be a high partial when I was a teenager and I rode my 
>>> > >>>> bike
>>> > all
>>> > >>>> over town.  I agree, we should junk the labels and just become
>>> people
>>> > with
>>> > >>>> some extra issues to be dealt with.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Oh yeah, I don't care who takes my dog's picture.  Landon's wound 
>>> > >>> up
>>> on
>>> > >>>> people's Facebook! They all ask me first.  Landon was doing
>>> something
>>> > cute
>>> > >>>> like lie with his head up and his front legs crossed like he was
>>> > royalty!
>>> > >>>> I
>>> > >>>> saw the pix and thought they were very cute.  They didn't take my
>>> > picture
>>> > >>>> -
>>> > >>>> just the dog.  The people who took the pix then asked me about 
>>> > >>>> guide
>>> > dogs
>>> > >>>> and I used it as a learning/teaching moment. I have some of these
>>> > cute pix
>>> > >>>> on my own Facebook timeline and i don't mind if my FB friends 
>>> > >>>> share
>>> > them.
>>> > >>>> Many of these friends love Landon!  LOL!  Oh, who knows how many 
>>> > >>>> pix
>>> > get
>>> > >>>> taken of Landon with his booties on as we march in the Pride 
>>> > >>>> Parade!
>>> > >>>> Maybe
>>> > >>>> seeing Landon in booties will remind them to use booties on their
>>> own
>>> > dogs
>>> > >>>> on hot pavement.  One never knows.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Take care,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Lyn and Landon
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship 
>>> > >>> is
>>> > like
>>> > >>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>> > >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> > >>>> Users"
>>> > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:02 PM
>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>>> take
>>> > >>>> pictures of your dog
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I have no problem with my dog getting her picture taken as long as 
>>> > >>> no
>>> > one
>>> > >>>>> talks to her and I am not in the picture without knowing. I may 
>>> > >>>>> be
>>> > having
>>> > >>>>> a
>>> > >>>>> fat day or not have my makeup on or something. My dog is not as
>>> vain.
>>> > >>>>> What
>>> > >>>>> does piss me off, in a side note, is the designation between
>>> sighted
>>> > and
>>> > >>>>> totals. This always seems to come from the 'total' as they like 
>>> > >>>>> to
>>> > call
>>> > >>>>> themselves as seems to be a type of prejudice in that they feel
>>> they
>>> > are
>>> > >>>>> more disabled or more blind than others. Sorry to vent on this, 
>>> > >>>>> but
>>> > it
>>> > >>>>> really pisses me off and I know I am not the only one who feels
>>> this
>>> > way
>>> > >>>>> though many people will not say so. I would appreciate the terms
>>> > going
>>> > >>>>> away. Thanks for the opportunity to get my word out. Eve
>>> > >>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, cheryl echevarria
>>> > >>>>> <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Yes I am also with Lion International and the Brentwood Chamber of
>>> > >>>>>> Commerce and other Travel Agent Organizations.
>>> > >>>>>> But I do not let anyone come up to me and take a picture of me 
>>> > >>>>>> or
>>> > Maxx.
>>> > >>>>>> These are different situations.
>>> > >>>>>> Have a great day to all. Bright and sunny after the Blizzard. 
>>> > >>>>>> Um
>>> > isn't
>>> > >>>>>> Nemo a fish and Captain Nemo for 20,000 leagues under the sea, 
>>> > >>>>>> I
>>> > just
>>> > >>>>>> don't
>>> > >>>>>> know where they get the names of these storms from.
>>> > >>>>>> Lol.
>>> > >>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>>> > >>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - 
>>> > >>>>>> Accessible
>>> > Travel
>>> > >>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerhttp://
>>> > >>>>>> www.echevarriatravel.com631-**456-5394reservations@**
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**wordpress.com2012
>>> > >>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>> > >>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose 
>>> > >>>>>> TravelCST -
>>> > >>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>>> > Federation
>>> > >>>>>> of
>>> > >>>>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>>> > >>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <
>>> http://www.nfbny.org/> <http://www.nfbny.org/
>>> > >
>>> > >>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy and
>>> > >>>>>> other resources. Any vacation package booked between November 6
>>> > >>>>>> 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be traveled no later 
>>> > >>>>>> than
>>> > >>>>>> 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the 
>>> > >>>>>> affiliate.
>>> >  Also
>>> > >>>>>> is
>>> > >>>>>> you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families and 
>>> > >>>>>> friends
>>> > >>>>>> resorts
>>> > >>>>>> vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the affiliate as well.
>>> >  You do
>>> > >>>>>> not
>>> > >>>>>> need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book through us.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>  From: lkeeler at comcast.net
>>> > >>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> > >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:22:35 -0500
>>> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting 
>>> > >>>>>>> to
>>> > take
>>> > >>>>>> pictures of your dog
>>> > >>>  Cheryl, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.  I have a picture 
>>> > >>> of
>>> > >>>>>>> Holly
>>> > >>>>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> I with the bishop.  I also have a couple with the Knights of
>>> > Columbus.
>>> > >>>>>> AIn
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> these cases, I allowed it to prove that these organizations 
>>> > >>>>>>> will
>>> > admit
>>> > >>>>>> and
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> approve of blind folks and there service animals.
>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> > >>>>>>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:05 PM
>>> > >>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to 
>>> > >>>>>>> take
>>> > >>>>>> pictures
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> of your dog
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>  Good morning everyone:
>>> > >>>>>>>> Nelson is busy shoveling the snow outside from Nemo, Blizzard
>>> > 2013.
>>> > >>>>>>>> Anyway, while I was in Washington, D.C. this past week with 
>>> > >>>>>>>> some
>>> > of
>>> > >>>>>>> you. I
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> was talking with some members of the Utah Chapter and a woman,
>>> who
>>> > >>>>>>>> was
>>> > >>>>>>> not
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> a member of the NFB, a guest in the hotel asked me if she 
>>> > >>>>>>> could
>>> > take
>>> > >>>>>>>> a
>>> > >>>>>>>> picture of Maxx.
>>> > >>>>>>>> I said no. She asked me why. Well first I said, "Because I do
>>> not
>>> > >>>>>>>> want
>>> > >>>>>>> my
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> dog all over social media from strangers that I do not know", 
>>> > >>>>>>> she
>>> > >>>>>>> became
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> quite obnoxious about it. I put it to her this way. I said are
>>> you
>>> > a
>>> > >>>>>>>> parent, she said yes. Well would you like any of your family 
>>> > >>>>>>>> or
>>> > >>>>>>> children
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> to have there pictures taken by strangers posted all over the
>>> > >>>>>>>> internet.
>>> > >>>>>>>> That is not right.
>>> > >>>>>>>> Then she got it and understood.
>>> > >>>>>>>> Have you had the same issues. Sometime someone tells me that
>>> they
>>> > >>>>>>>> took
>>> > >>>>>>> a
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> picture of me and the dog, and I get upset, only because they
>>> > didn't
>>> > >>>>>>> ask
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> and the same issue. I should be the one to post pictures and
>>> videos
>>> > >>>>>>>> of
>>> > >>>>>>> me
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> and maxx if I want, but not strangers.
>>> > >>>>>>>> Cheryl
>>> > >>>  Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>>> > >>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - 
>>> > >>>>>>>> Accessible
>>> > >>>>>>>> Travel
>>> > >>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
>>> > >>>>>>>> Ownerhttp://www.**echevarriatravel.com631-456-**5394reservations
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > @echevarriatravel.comhttp://**www.echevarriatravel.**wordpress.com2012
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>> > >>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose 
>>> > >>>>>>>> TravelCST
>>> -
>>> > >>>>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>>> > >>>>>>> Federation
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>>> > >>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <
>>> http://www.nfbny.org/> <
>>> > http://www.nfbny.org/>
>>> > >>>>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy
>>> > >>>>>>> and other resources. Any
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 
>>> > >>>>>>> 2013
>>> > and
>>> > >>>>>>>> vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a 
>>> > >>>>>>>> percentage
>>> > of my
>>> > >>>>>>>> earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a 
>>> > >>>>>>>> Sandals
>>> for
>>> > >>>>>>> couples
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 
>>> > >>>>>>> per
>>> > >>>>>>> booking
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a 
>>> > >>>>>>> member
>>> > of
>>> > >>>>>>> the
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> NFB.org, just book through us.
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