[nagdu] Lions support

Sun Feb 17 04:50:04 UTC 2013

I was actually offered a lion sponsorship to go to Leader for a guide
dog.  But oddly enough, this was right after I had been given a class
date at Guiding Eyes.  When I told my contact that, he wasn't angry or
disrespectful in any way.  In fact, he offered to give me a
scholarship for college instead.  The lions clubs in the area here are
great and have worked with NFB Mo on some of our projects.  I have
never had a problem with them.

On 2/16/13, Margo and Arrow <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
> I wonder if the NFB Lions Division has addressed how many of us our treated
> if we don't go to a Lions-supmorted school?
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:55 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Lions support
>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry you were treated like that and others as well.
>> I am out on Long Island, and most of the Lions out here support GDF.
>> I have never run into such nastiness, and I will let others know how
>> people feel.
>> The same feelings at Lions why can't NFB and ACB work together on issues.
>> That is a separate topic, but I say, it is similar to why and might be
>> more than just like Republican and Democratic.
>> But when this comes up, I just stand for us the NFB.
>> Again, I am sorry that you have gone through this, and only thing I can
>> say is educate.
>> They should know that all schools have same quality of education etc.
>> Cheryl
>> I am not going to say anymore on the subject.
>> We are all treated differently a lot of the time.
>>
>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>> Leading the Way in Independent TravelffSNG Certified — Accessible Travel
>> AdvocateffCheryl Echevarria,
>> Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatravel.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012
>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST —
>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National Federation
>> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>> http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any
>> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and
>> vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my
>> earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for couples
>> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per booking
>> will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a member of the
>> NFB.ORG, just book through us.
>>
>>
>> From: margo.downey at verizon.net
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:45:01 com0800
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Lions support
>>
>> Cheryl, I'm afraid a lot of us have had these experiences with the Lions.
>> Lions have crifficized me for getting Seeing Eye Dogs, have told me that
>> Seeing Eye dogs are not as good as Leader Dogs, that I must go to Leader
>> next time to get a high-quality dog. I have also had the experience with
>> the Lions of feeling like the token blind person. I have also had the
>> experience of being treated in a very condescending way by Lions. I have
>> had a few good experiences with the Lions, too—2 wonderful skiing trips,
>> fun displaying about NFB at Lions conferevers, etc., but I do think some
>> education needs to happen so that Lions really believe in the capabilities
>> of blind folks.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: nagdu nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:28 am
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Lions support
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Lions raise money so we can have dogs, the dogs from birth to us and
>> > ever after run about $40,000.00 a dog, which includes the buildings,
>> > food, classes for us. etc.
>> > We are mostly the fundraiser end of the schools, I say we because I am
>> > proud to be a Lion, and have never been made to feel like the Token
>> > Blind person there.
>> > Maybe many of us have a misconception about Lionism, or a bad
>> > experience. Lets face it, some of the people within the NFB including
>> > Chapter Presidents and people who have been part of this organization
>> > for years, that rub me the wrong way, and others as well, but we are all
>> > family.
>> > Lions have helped me in other ways that NFB hasn't.
>> > But that doesn't stop me for being part of both organizations.
>> >
>> > Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>> > Leading the Way in Independent TravelffSNG Certified — Accessible Travel
>> > AdvocateffCheryl Echevarria,
>> > Ownerhttp://www.echevarriatravel.com631-456-5394reservations@echevarriatravel.comhttp://www.echevarriatravel.wordpress.com2012
>> > Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>> > Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST —
>> > #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National Federation
>> > of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>> > http://www.NFBNY.org after Hurricane Sandy and other resources. Any
>> > vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013 and
>> > vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of my
>> > earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for
>> > couples or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00
>> > per booking will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a
>> > member of the NFB.ORG, just book through us.
>> >
>> >
>> > > From: carcione at access.net
>> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> > > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:28:16 com0500
>> > > Subject: [nagdu] Lions support
>> > >
>> > > Steve, I'm curious.  Why do people feel they need the Lions support to
>> > > get a
>> > > guide dog?  TSE, and GDB, pay the airfare, and students get room and
>> > > board
>> > > from the school.  One might need a bit of money for toys or extra
>> > > equipment,
>> > > but not a lot.  So where does the support come in?
>> > > Tracy
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> > > To: "'Nagdu Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog
>> > > Users'"
>> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:27 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hello
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > All,
>> > > > In regards to Lion's and guide dog program financial support, it is
>> > > > generally a state, or district decision on who they support.  Many
>> > > > states
>> > > > do
>> > > > financially support Leader Dog for the reasons I cited earlier this
>> > > >
>> > > > morning,
>> > > > while other states or districts as many of you have noted, choose to
>> > > >
>> > > > support
>> > > > other training programs.  There tends to be a greater support toward
>> > > >
>> > > > Leader
>> > > > in the Midwest States and Canada.  However, keep in mind, it doesn't
>> > > > mean
>> > > > that even a specific club or clubs won't support an individual as
>> > > > they
>> > > > choose another training program.  We have had Lion's in my specific
>> > > > club
>> > > > who
>> > > > have had dogs from Leader and TSE, and a good friend of mine has a
>> > > > dog
>> > > > from
>> > > > a program located here in WI which was also supported by her club.
>> > > > My
>> > > > point
>> > > > is that if you do consider getting financial support from the Lion's
>> > > > to
>> > > > obtain a guide, don't hesitate to contact your local Lion's club
>> > > > for
>> > > > support.
>> > > > Steve
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D.
>> > > > Keeler
>> > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:51 AM
>> > > > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hello
>> > > >
>> > > > That's true Eve!  I actually looked at that donation wall at Pilot
>> > > > and
>> > > > read
>> > > > most of the plaques up there.  MJany were put up in honor of Lions
>> > > > who
>> > > > donated to Pilot.  But, like any organization that is big, folks
>> > > > get
>> > > > different impressions for instance a local chapter may be more
>> > > > traditional
>> > > > than another or a older group may be more conservative than a
>> > > > younger one.
>> > > > I had a teacher who was a lion and he was a great teacher as well as
>> > > > a
>> > > > great
>> > > > human being!  Finally, I support all guide dog schools as long as
>> > > > they are
>> > > > serving there clientelle the best they can and don't treat them
>> > > > like
>> > > > subhuman folks.  Dignity and respect are more important than waring
>> > > > about
>> > > > what school or organization is the best.  I for example have never
>> > > > really
>> > > > cared for the White Cane cerimonies and White Cane Queen stuff the
>> > > > Lions
>> > > > do.
>> > > >
>> > > > Only my oppinion though.  And a final thing, some of the Lions might
>> > > > not
>> > > > really know that theey support other schools.  Me being in the
>> > > > Knights of
>> > > > Columbus know we support our local mental health center.  I don't
>> > > > know
>> > > > what
>> > > > other ones we support but I'm sure we do others.  If asked, I could
>> > > > tell
>> > > > you
>> > > > we help this one and would reccommend it simply because without
>> > > > doing more
>> > > > research, I don''t know what ones we support for sure.  And, Leader
>> > > > is
>> > > > probably the biggest school they do support!
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>> > > > To: "NAGDU Mailing Listeathe National Association of Guide Dog
>> > > > Users"
>> > > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:46 AM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hello
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> I'm sorry, but it seems you all are quite misimformed. As a Lion
>> > > >> and a
>> > > >> Pilot Alumni I could tell you that the Lions International
>> > > >> supports
>> > > >> many different schools for guide dogs. Pilot actually is supported
>> > > >> almost wholey by Lions, more than any other school including
>> > > >> Leader.
>> > > >> Lions often will support the schools in their areas also such as
>> > > >> Guide
>> > > >> Dogs of America and etc. The point of Lions is to support vision
>> > > >> care
>> > > >> and those with vision loss and issues. Right now, we are working
>> > > >> on
>> > > >> establishing more diabetic education and testing. Are we going to
>> > > >> not
>> > > >> include someone who may already be involved with another diabeties
>> > > >> association? No way. This is not like NFB and ACB. Everyone get
>> > > >> along
>> > > >> as they should, so I do not know why or where you are getting your
>> > > >> information. One crabby woman does not make the worldwide
>> > > >> membership
>> > > >> and should not be the loudest voice heard. Eve
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:13 AM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>> Julie J I don't have your email address in my address book so
>> > > >>> will
>> > > >>> answer here.
>> > > >>> I am really sorry this has happened.
>> > > >>> I know here in Montana the lions said leader dogs only.
>> > > >>> My reply was, that is fine, if you allowed more blind to come
>> > > >>> into
>> > > >>> your club showing that we can get just as much done as you do,
>> > > >>> working together, we all would get something out of this.
>> > > >>> In our city transportation is unreal.
>> > > >>> I didn't want to pay for cab fare all of the time, when I felt
>> > > >>> someone in our area could help me out.
>> > > >>> We do have blind as lions, where they have a driver.
>> > > >>> A father and son team, a lady taking her blind friend.
>> > > >>> the lady that passed away had her sighted husband.
>> > > >>> The rest of us have cabs.
>> > > >>> Now I am trying to think how to add seeing eye now that the
>> > > >>> leader
>> > > >>> dog lady has passed away.
>> > > >>> there is another person in town who has a seeing eye dog, works
>> > > >>> all
>> > > >>> of the time, stays pretty much to himself.
>> > > >>> If anyone has tips I would spring this to the father and son
>> > > >>> team.
>> > > >>> Again I am really sorry this happened.
>> > > >>> In my ladies group, the ladies are impressed how behaved my dog
>> > > >>> is.
>> > > >>> One lady just about had a kitten when my dog looked at the plate
>> > > >>> of
>> > > >>> cookies.
>> > > >>> Loll, I just moved his head and we started walking away from the
>> > > >>> table.
>> > > >>> I am sure if he had his way he would have helped out with each
>> > > >>> cookie.
>> > > >>> But he didn't, so that was good.
>> > > >>> Again I am really sorry this happened.
>> > > >>> Why did they want your dog in the picture when they gave you the
>> > > >>> rath
>> > > >>> of God because you trained your own dog?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> —
>> > > >>> —Dar
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>> > > >>> every sinner has a future
>> > > >>>
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Julie McG
National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
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