[nagdu] clicker training

[Julie J.]

I think it's awesome that the guide dog programs are realizing that 
clicker training is a useful tool and teaching the concepts to their 
students.  NLS has a few books by Karen Pryor.  I don't know if they are 
available digitally though.  I read them ages ago on cassette.  There's 
loads of info on the internet and Audible has some good books too.

Julie
On 2/18/2013 7:19 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
> Well, when I even wrote about it, all I really knew was the version I learned only a little bit about, so I appreciate your saying so. It is interesting and sometimes I think to learn more about it.
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> Cindy Lou
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> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Julie J. wrote:
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>> Cindy,
>>
>> Pure clicker training involves no collar corrections of any variety.  Some people who use clicker training are very committed to only using the method in this pure form.  Others use the mix and match approach.  Those who use the pure form argue that using corrections dilutes the effectiveness of clicker training and harms the relationship between person and dog, because the dog doesn't know for certain that he won't be punished.  I can understand this and do agree with it, to a degree.  As I've said before I am not a purest clicker trainer, but I don't want to suggest that it doesn't work in the pure form or that that choice is inferior in any way.  It may very well be that my version is the inferior one, but I choose it because it is what works for me.
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>> Julie
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>> On 2/17/2013 10:06 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I am wondering about pushing over you as an owner. I don't think a dog could do that. It does the thing you want it to do, ou click and give it a tiny treat. If it doesn't do it, no treat. Gradually it begins doing it with just the praise. I don't really think dogs think of "pulling something over" or "pushing something over" on the owner that much. They want to do something and they will. But they like to please you and they like praise, so positive re-enforcement should truly work well. I'm not sure people who use clicker training never use leash corrections though.
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>>> Cindy Lou
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>>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Lora :) wrote:
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>>>> Hello
>>>> I have a few questions about clicker training and positive
>>>> reinforcement training in general. I am NOT trying to flame or offend
>>>> anyone. I can see the advantages of positive reinforcement ie dog is
>>>> not scared of getting a correction and not scared of you. I wonder
>>>> about clicker trained dogs not having a sense of boundaries and just
>>>> pushing over you as the owner. Could someone please clarify or correct
>>>> if need be? I like that clicker trained dogs aren't afraid to try and
>>>> they don't have to worry about getting a leash correction. Thank you
>>>> for your help.
>>>> Lora
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