[nagdu] clicker training
Meghan Whalen
mewhalen at gmail.com
Mon Feb 18 15:57:45 UTC 2013
I use the same concept. I use "yes" instead of a click, though, because
I can't forget to put my "yes" in my pocket.
I use the clicker concept when teaching new behaviors. I keep all of the
task-specific training I do with the service dog puppies I train very
very positive. I have a dog who shut down with any kind of correction,
so she really encouraged and pushed me to use positive methods as much
as possible. I do use corrections at times for leash manors and/or lack
of cooperation when it comes to basic obedience
I trained my guide with a lot of positive reinforcement and a bit more
negative reinforcement than I would like, and I have actually been going
back and reteaching him the same behaviors through positive methods. It
was really difficult for me, since I was first taught the negative
reinforcement training through the guide dog programs. I find that those
behaviors taught with positive methods seem to be approached with much
more joy than those taught through corrections, and I am so glad I took
the time to listen to my dogs.
As an example, I wanted to teach my guide, Dayton, to do some service
dog tasks so that I could use him in demonstrations for Custom Canines,
the program I train with. I tried and tried to encourage him to retrieve
items. I wasn't really hard on him, but I wasn't really positive,
either. I didn't let him figure it out himself, and I couldn't get him
to pick up anything but his favorite toys. Once I learned how to shape
behaviors, I was able to teach him to pick up a training dumbbell, a
spoon, a hair brush and my slipper all in under 20 minutes including
teaching him the name of each item. I do think there is much more trust
and joy in a relationship with a dog which is as positive as it can be,
and I continue to grow, learn, research and leave behind the original
methods I was taught as much as possible.
Meghan
On 2/18/2013 7:31 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> I think it's awesome that the guide dog programs are realizing that
> clicker training is a useful tool and teaching the concepts to their
> students. NLS has a few books by Karen Pryor. I don't know if they
> are available digitally though. I read them ages ago on cassette.
> There's loads of info on the internet and Audible has some good books
> too.
>
> Julie
> On 2/18/2013 7:19 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> Well, when I even wrote about it, all I really knew was the version I
>> learned only a little bit about, so I appreciate your saying so. It
>> is interesting and sometimes I think to learn more about it.
>>
>> Cindy Lou
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Julie J. wrote:
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Pure clicker training involves no collar corrections of any
>>> variety. Some people who use clicker training are very committed to
>>> only using the method in this pure form. Others use the mix and
>>> match approach. Those who use the pure form argue that using
>>> corrections dilutes the effectiveness of clicker training and harms
>>> the relationship between person and dog, because the dog doesn't
>>> know for certain that he won't be punished. I can understand this
>>> and do agree with it, to a degree. As I've said before I am not a
>>> purest clicker trainer, but I don't want to suggest that it doesn't
>>> work in the pure form or that that choice is inferior in any way.
>>> It may very well be that my version is the inferior one, but I
>>> choose it because it is what works for me.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2013 10:06 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>> I am wondering about pushing over you as an owner. I don't think a
>>>> dog could do that. It does the thing you want it to do, ou click
>>>> and give it a tiny treat. If it doesn't do it, no treat. Gradually
>>>> it begins doing it with just the praise. I don't really think dogs
>>>> think of "pulling something over" or "pushing something over" on
>>>> the owner that much. They want to do something and they will. But
>>>> they like to please you and they like praise, so positive
>>>> re-enforcement should truly work well. I'm not sure people who use
>>>> clicker training never use leash corrections though.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Lora :) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> I have a few questions about clicker training and positive
>>>>> reinforcement training in general. I am NOT trying to flame or offend
>>>>> anyone. I can see the advantages of positive reinforcement ie dog is
>>>>> not scared of getting a correction and not scared of you. I wonder
>>>>> about clicker trained dogs not having a sense of boundaries and just
>>>>> pushing over you as the owner. Could someone please clarify or
>>>>> correct
>>>>> if need be? I like that clicker trained dogs aren't afraid to try and
>>>>> they don't have to worry about getting a leash correction. Thank you
>>>>> for your help.
>>>>> Lora
>>>>>
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