[nagdu] people who persist in petting

[d m gina]

Check this out smile.
This morning my dog shook his ears.
One of the ears flopped on top of his head.
A lady I knew came to me saying I will fix your dogs ear it is flopped 
on top of his head.
She fixes ear, then starts petting.
Telling me she isn't petting dog.
A guy said
She told me it ruins dog if he gets petted.
I said yes it does.
i was still told she wasn't petting the dog.
Giggle.
he was in rest mode so that helped.
We were waiting for a cab.
Original message:
> Yahooo, Robert!!!
> You hit the nail on the head - it is plain old DISRESPECT when people think
> they can just go up to a person and pet their dog.  Believe it or not, I've
> encountered SIGHTED people with pets getting annoyed about people just
> walking up to pet their dog!

> I've gotten mad at times.  I've said, "How would you like it if you were
> calmly crossing a street when someone sneaks up behind you and puts their
> hands over your eyes?  Would you like that???"  The person usually says,
> "No."  and I say, "Well, why do you think you can do that to me - playing
> with my dog is doing just that."  That's on a nice day.  Mostly, I correct
> my dog as if a squirrel crossed the street as well and Landon distracted on
> it.  Hahaha!  People with squirrel brains!

> Lyn and Landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people who persist in petting


>> You got that right!  I have a psychology degree as well and find most
>> human behavior fascinating!  It would be fun to explore this topic more
>> but unfortunately I think its beond the scope of this list!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Hooper" <hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people who persist in petting


>>> Alright, I'm going to indulge in a bit of acidity regarding certain
>>> people, certain dogs, and certain behaviors.
>>> As a student of psychology, peoples' perceptions of those with
>>> disabilities is a great interest of mine. I particularly enjoyed the
>>> scenario referenced in the initial email on this subject: "I know I'm not
>>> supposed to, but I'm going to anyway."
>>> That is blatant disrespect. Period. I often find that what I say to
>>> someone often carries less weight than what a sighted person says. I
>>> firmly believe that if I were with a sighted person, and somebody asked
>>> to pet my dog, and the sighted person said "yes" and I said "no," the
>>> sighted person would be more likely to commit an indescression. You see
>>> this sort of thing in the way sighted people use one's sighted companions
>>> as a buffer when asking questions. For example, it's not, "How old is
>>> your dog?"; it's "How old is his dog? What does he think about X. Does he
>>> mind if I pet his dog?"
>>> Some of these things can be attributed to awkwardness on the part of
>>> somebody unfamiliar with communication with an individual with a
>>> disability, but some things are little forms of discrimination. There is
>>> a phenomenon in gender studies called benevolent or hostile sexism.
>>> The following was an actual experiment. An job interview for a position
>>> at a warehouse was taped. The potential employer was a man, and the
>>> potential employee was a young woman. There were two versions of the
>>> interview. In the one demonstrating hostile sexism, the man made comments
>>> about his doubts that a "woman" could lift the requisite weight. He also
>>> made comments about the way she would need to dress, etc. In the video
>>> demonstrating benevolent sexism, the man was very nice to the woman--he
>>> said something to the effect of, "I'm sure that the guys around here
>>> wouldn't mind helping out a pretty young woman such as yourself" in
>>> reference to the weight lifting requirement. The subjects who watched
>>> these videos rated the man as more likeable and the female less likeable
>>> in the video demonstrating benevolent sexism, and the man less likeable
>>> and the woman more so in the video demonstrating hostile sexism. So, it
>>> can be concluded that benevolent sexism can cause greater harm than
>>> hostile sexism.
>>> My point in bringing up this study is that I believe something similar
>>> goes on when those with disabilities interface with the public. The
>>> public often does us a disservice by assuming that they are being helpful
>>> and that *we* should be grateful that they are offering said help. In the
>>> same way, when somebody decides to molest our service animals, they are
>>> benevolently showing disrespect by not engaging us first. The respectful
>>> thing to do would be to ask--or even acknowledge that the shmuck with the
>>> dog exists. This reminds me of one particularly bad week I was having a
>>> couple weeks previous. I had just gotten done working out, and I was
>>> waiting on my workout partner to return the lock that we had borrowed.
>>> Somebody walks up and begins to deal Bailey a few strokes. Having had
>>> quite a horrible day, I said the following: "Excuse me, it would be nice
>>> if you could do me the respect and courtesy of treating me like a human
>>> being instead of my dog's [adjective beginning with f] coat stand." I
>>> have to tell you that saying that made me feel like that day had been
>>> salvaged. There is absolutely no reason why we should deal with
>>> *anyone's* lack of disrespect. If somebody molests my dog without
>>> permission, I'm going to be rude about it. Why? Because they didn't show
>>> me the courtesy and respect due another member of society when another
>>> member of society wants to fondle someone's property. They initiated the
>>> rudeness. If Johnny Smith thought that Joey Appleton just had the cutest
>>> set of ears and awesome hair style, does that give Johnny Smith the right
>>> to walk up to Joey Appleton and feel up those ears and that hair while
>>> making cooing noises in his face? Absolutely not. If Johnny Smith asked
>>> Joey Appleton if he could do such, then yay! You have a member of society
>>> who, despite their strange desires, at least has the courtesy to ask. If
>>> somebody exclaimed over the cuteness of your toddler and then proceeded
>>> to fondle them, you'd probably do a lot more than ask them to "stop
>>> petting my child."
>>> So, finally, I repeat: I have no tolerance for being ignored or
>>> disrespected. If somebody insists on petting the dog, they will be
>>> physically prevented from doing so, and the police will be summoned. "I
>>> know I'm not supposed to, but I will," isn't cute; it's not exasperating.
>>> It's plainly offensive, insulting, and unacceptable, from any member of
>>> society. Of course, I have no problems with those who don't mind others
>>> petting their dog; however, it's not a bad idea to insist that people at
>>> least acknowledge that you, the human half, have the authority where the
>>> dog is concerned. Don't be your dog's coat stand--you're worth a lot more
>>> respect than that. So, with all that in mind, boys and girls, have a
>>> fantastic day!
>>> Lovingly,
>>> Robert Hooper
>>> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
>>> The Ohio State University, Department of Psychology; Department of
>>> Neuroscience
>>> 572 Stinchcomb Drive
>>> Apt. 3
>>> Columbus, Ohio 43202-3702
>>> (740) 856-8195

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:27 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people who persist in petting

>>> It is just the area you are and the people you are around then. My first
>>> dog was a German Shepherd and she was petted all of the time.
>>> She was very intimidating looking yet I would have people drop to the
>>> ground in front of her while walking on harness to play kissy face with
>>> her. Those people would then get mad when I would tell them she is a
>>> working dog  and not to be played with. My Golden is absolutely adorable
>>> and has the same issues, but I got her a sign and have gotten a little
>>> ruder to get the point across and not have people ruin her.
>>> It helps.I explained to one lady I met who is wheel chair bound, that it
>>> is like somebody pushing her out of her chair. She loved the analogy. My
>>> daughter even recommends that I reply to people who say they want to get
>>> a harness like ours (I hear this all of the time) with something like
>>> "You should try a wheel chair too. They are lots of fun." I wish there
>>> was a wide spread way to let the general population of this country know
>>> that these dogs are working and not play things for their enjoyment.
>>> Children can learn, why not the adults? Eve

>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello- I really don't have problems with people petting my dog. I was
>>>> just agreeing with Dar about taking a hard line with people when they
>>>> have tried to interfere with me and my guide.
>>>> Tina and the girls

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of consuelo
>>>> johnson
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:40 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people who persist in petting

>>>> I don't really have that problem to much, because I'm working a
>>>> davenman pitcher,  but when I had my gsd people did approach us to
>>>> much because that thought that she was a police dog.  Have you try
>>>> using a sign to let people know not to pet your dog.  You can purchase
>>>> these sign from gdui or some school offer them for their graduates.
>>>> Consuelo and zoey

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:05 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people who persist in petting

>>>> Hello Dar- I too am not polite at a down curb or in the street. I
>>>> guess one good thing about having a GSD is that people are not just
>>>> coming up and trying to pet my dog.
>>>> Tina and the girls

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:09 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people who persist in petting

>>>> In the street I will not be polite.
>>>> I don't have time to explain when I need to find the other curb.
>>>> I like the last part you shared
>>>> My dog isn't here for you to play with.
>>>> to that effect anyway.
>>>> When your friend starts to pet the dog in school, I would turn around
>>>> and walk away.
>>>> Even if you are at the rite place to be.
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hi guys.

>>>>> I'm curious.  What do you all do when people persist in petting your
>>>>> dog.  I do not allow people to pet Brie, and generally, this is not a
>>>>> problem.  I just tell whoever is asking (or petting anyway) that she
>>>>> is working, which means I do not allow people to pet her.  I can
>>>>> usually leave it at that.  But there are a few people who I see at
>>>>> church and school who say things like "I know.  I'm going to pet
>>>>> anyway."  In fact, one of those lovely people decided to pet Brie
>>>>> while we were crossing the street.

>>>>> I don't want to be rude and create a problem, but I'm not sure how to
>>>>> tell them in a polite way that I don't want them petting my dog.  I
>>>>> am also not sure if they would even listen at that point.  Part of me
>>>>> also wonders if it's even a problem, since Brie doesn't generally get
>>>>> distracted by this.  She only gets distracted by people she knows,
>>>>> and those people know better.  What do you guys do?  I know I'm kind
>>>>> of obnoxious when it comes to people petting my dog, but when she is
>>>>> working, she is my mobility tool, not a dog on display for others to
>>>>> play with.


>>>>> --
>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri
>>>>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the
>>>>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only
>>>>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have
>>>>> eternal life."
>>>>> John 3:16

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