[nagdu] airport training

Ann Edie annedie at nycap.rr.com
Sun Jan 20 21:37:01 UTC 2013 

Hi, Julie and all,

I agree with those who use the procedure of putting the guide on a stay and
going through the metal detector first, while continuing to hold onto the
leash, then calling the guide to come through to you.  The only trouble I
would anticipate with this procedure is that from what I have heard of the
TSA's new rules, if the dog/horse touches you or you touch the animal once
it comes through to you, that they will have to further examine both you and
the guide.  And in my experience, the guide is so happy to be reunited with
the handler after even so brief a separation, that he/she usually can't
resist sticking his/her nose in your hand, licking some part of your
anatomy, or jumping up on you, or in Panda's case, pressing herself against
my left leg in heel position.  I guess this just requires more training for
calmness when returning to the handler.  But the temptation to pet or touch
the guide when it responds to the "come" command might be just too much for
me.  I haven't had the opportunity to try out this procedure, so am just
speculating here.

The hand swabbing, I believe, is supposed to be standard procedure for
anyone traveling with an animal, whether or not it is a service animal, and
regardless of how you proceed through the metal detector.  So I don't think
the method of going through the metal detector has any bearing on that.

Best,
Ann

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:23 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] airport training

Tami,

You were right.  Some people were saying that they put the dog into a sit or
down stay, drop the leash  and walk through the metal detector without
holding onto the leash.  Others do the sit or down part, but hold the end of
the leash as they walk through.

The original question was if all the programs teach proper airport security
procedures.  For me it's the word "proper" that is where the difference
lies.  I think all of the programs teach some sort of airport procedure and
I'm sure they'd all say it's "proper".  However there isn't exact agreement
on the specific procedures to be used.

I've only ever flown with Belle and I honestly cannot remember what I did.
I can say I would never dream of letting go of that girl's leash.  
Not unless I wanted to create a giant kerfuffle.   *smile*  When I go 
through non airport security with Monty, I have him sit and stay, drop the
leash and walk through myself.  He's trustworthy off leash.  I know he will
come straight to me with no detours.  If I was uncomfortable with the
security personnel or if there were a lot of people around that I thought
might mess with Monty, I would hold onto his leash.  We don't live in a
highly populated area though, so there are usually very few people at
security checkpoints out here.

HTH
Julie




On 1/20/2013 9:54 AM, Tami Jarvis wrote:
> Cheryl,
>
> Oh! Thanks for the clarification. For some reason, I was thinking that 
> the dog was in a down stay without the handler holding the leash while 
> the handler went through the gizmo... Now I know! /grin/
>
> On 01/20/2013 07:24 AM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>
>> We don't give up control of the dog at the airport.
>> The dog is on a sit stay, we make the leash longer, we walk though 
>> and then we ask the dog to come, never is the dog unattended by us.
>> We are in full control of the dog, and if someone asks you to 
>> relinquish that, they are wrong.
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>>> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 07:07:38 -0800
>>> From: tami at poodlemutt.com
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] airport training
>>>
>>> Juanita,
>>>
>>> I'm with you! Putting the dog in a sit or down stay seems it would 
>>> be much more convenient, but I don't like the idea of giving up 
>>> control of the dog, even for that short a time. Especially in a busy 
>>> airport at the security check!
>>>
>>> One notion someone here mentioned quite awhile ago that I want to 
>>> use next time I fly is to have a slip on leash/collar with no metal 
>>> in it, to avoid having the dog set off the detector. It seems like 
>>> that would remove possible complications and save some time with 
>>> having the dog wanded. Or having a security agent consider doing a 
>>> cavity check of the dog, as happened to us once. It did not happen, 
>>> but the very idea! It might be said I have never been so shocked in 
>>> my life! /lol/
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 01/19/2013 08:10 PM, Juanita Herrera wrote:
>>>> We all have the option of doing that, And even though most of our 
>>>> dogs are capable of doing that, I like to keep tabs on my dog at 
>>>> all times. Therefore, she goes through security right before me as 
>>>> I hold onto her leash. With all the hustle and bustle going on at 
>>>> the airport, one never knows what can happen. I'd rather be safe 
>>>> than sorry. But of course, everyone has their preferences, And 
>>>> different things work for different people.
>>>> Juanita & Anise
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 19, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Eve Sanchez <celticyaya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Pilot Dogs does. They actually give us a few options that we 
>>>>> could choose from as everyone has their own preferences. I myself 
>>>>> like to put my dog in a sit-stay, walk through security and then 
>>>>> call her to me.
>>>>> I also
>>>>> love the response I get from some of the security people when I do 
>>>>> this.
>>>>> For some reason they get amazed when a service animal proves they 
>>>>> are trained well. Blessed Be. Eve
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Debbie Cole
>>>>> <debbieanne1124 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am just curious if all of the Guide Dog schools train their 
>>>>>> dogs and students the proper way to go through security check 
>>>>>> point in airports?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debbie & Leone
>>>>>>
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