[nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

[Star Gazer]

Yes, all this. 

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:31 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

There are mobility things a cane can accomplish more easily than a dog. 
Finding the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox is tough with a dog, but a
breeze with a cane.  Finding the mailbox in the first place is easier with a
cane.  Mingling in a crowd is easier with a cane.  Dogs just want to go
around and will avoid taking you up to clusters of people.  As was mentioned
earlier, finding and standing in line is tough with a dog.  Odd situations
you haven't encountered before are easier with a cane, for example the weird
steps to the curb and street that I described a few months ago.  Any
information from echolocation from the tap of the cane tip is virtually
nonexistent with a dog.  Getting information about your immediate
surroundings, like am I walking past a flower bed or a giant mud puddle, is
easier with a cane.  Knowing what surface you are about to step onto before
taking that first step is way easier with a cane.  Ever take a step onto a
brick road early on a fall morning after a frost?  It is slick and a dog
can't see any ice.

Julie



-----Original Message-----
From: Raven Tolliver
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:56 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Hi,
I do not view the cane or cane users negatively. I would never say that I am
better than cane users as a collective because I'm sure there are people who
travel more efficiently with their cane than I do with my dog. But apart
from handlers/users, guide dogs simply do more than canes do. That is a
fact, not an opinion.
It is a personal choice, just as what kind of dog, car, phone, or laptop
people decide to obtain, or what school people decide to attend. Everyone
will make their ultimate decisions based on needs, wants, affordability, and
ability to handle.
However, I will stand firm that the guide dog is a better mobility aid
because it has more capabilities and is more precise. No one has disputed
this fact with evidence or explanations.
I understand there are advantages and disadvantages to everything, but that
does not mean all things are on some neutral ground. Some cars are better
than others, some phones are better than others, and some foods are better
than others, regardless of what people can afford, are willing to put up
with, or are able to handle.
I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive. My intentions are simply to
debate and share thought-provoking ideas, not to stir up trouble or cause
some kind of divide.

--
Raven

Original Message:
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

You obviously view the cane as negative, your posts are full of negative
language. You yourself have said you hate the cane. That baffles me, as the
cane doesn't feel anything about you, one way or another.
You are entitled to your opinion, just realize it is exactly that, your
opinion.

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