[nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Mon Jul 1 19:32:50 UTC 2013

Rhonda, we sure do! But, we also need to trust ourselves as well! For 
example, sometimes when Holly stops, she is just sniffing! Around here she 
has a few spots where other dogs write there messages or squirrels, rabbits 
or birds hang out. I still check but knowing where these spots are and how 
Holly reacts, sure makes a difference! And, hearring where you are in 
relation to wooded areas, busy streets and other environmental cues is also 
really helpful.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rhonda cruz" <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes


> HI larry, i thought we needed to trust our dogs fully. to keep us safe.
>
> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> What I don't get is that folks insist on one or the other! Some folks 
>> think they have to give up the cane in favor of the dog and there cane 
>> skills may go down. Also, I've noticed that sometimes people stop paying 
>> attention to other environmental cues and put all therere trust in the 
>> dog. I feel that if you have good skills never stop using them entirely!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star Gazer" 
>> <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>
>>
>>> Yes, all this.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:31 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>
>>> There are mobility things a cane can accomplish more easily than a dog.
>>> Finding the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox is tough with a dog, but a
>>> breeze with a cane.  Finding the mailbox in the first place is easier 
>>> with a
>>> cane.  Mingling in a crowd is easier with a cane.  Dogs just want to go
>>> around and will avoid taking you up to clusters of people.  As was 
>>> mentioned
>>> earlier, finding and standing in line is tough with a dog.  Odd 
>>> situations
>>> you haven't encountered before are easier with a cane, for example the 
>>> weird
>>> steps to the curb and street that I described a few months ago.  Any
>>> information from echolocation from the tap of the cane tip is virtually
>>> nonexistent with a dog.  Getting information about your immediate
>>> surroundings, like am I walking past a flower bed or a giant mud puddle, 
>>> is
>>> easier with a cane.  Knowing what surface you are about to step onto 
>>> before
>>> taking that first step is way easier with a cane.  Ever take a step onto 
>>> a
>>> brick road early on a fall morning after a frost?  It is slick and a dog
>>> can't see any ice.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Raven Tolliver
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:56 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I do not view the cane or cane users negatively. I would never say that 
>>> I am
>>> better than cane users as a collective because I'm sure there are people 
>>> who
>>> travel more efficiently with their cane than I do with my dog. But apart
>>> from handlers/users, guide dogs simply do more than canes do. That is a
>>> fact, not an opinion.
>>> It is a personal choice, just as what kind of dog, car, phone, or laptop
>>> people decide to obtain, or what school people decide to attend. 
>>> Everyone
>>> will make their ultimate decisions based on needs, wants, affordability, 
>>> and
>>> ability to handle.
>>> However, I will stand firm that the guide dog is a better mobility aid
>>> because it has more capabilities and is more precise. No one has 
>>> disputed
>>> this fact with evidence or explanations.
>>> I understand there are advantages and disadvantages to everything, but 
>>> that
>>> does not mean all things are on some neutral ground. Some cars are 
>>> better
>>> than others, some phones are better than others, and some foods are 
>>> better
>>> than others, regardless of what people can afford, are willing to put up
>>> with, or are able to handle.
>>> I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive. My intentions are simply to
>>> debate and share thought-provoking ideas, not to stir up trouble or 
>>> cause
>>> some kind of divide.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Raven
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>       Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>
>>> You obviously view the cane as negative, your posts are full of negative
>>> language. You yourself have said you hate the cane. That baffles me, as 
>>> the
>>> cane doesn't feel anything about you, one way or another.
>>> You are entitled to your opinion, just realize it is exactly that, your
>>> opinion.
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