[nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Tue Jul 2 00:00:47 UTC 2013

 yep, i remember that smile.
   bonny used to tell me trust may, fully.

 i think i have a small bonny in my pocket,

 yes, the mobility training comes in handy,

On Jul 1, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:

> Rhonda, we sure do! But, we also need to trust ourselves as well! For example, sometimes when Holly stops, she is just sniffing! Around here she has a few spots where other dogs write there messages or squirrels, rabbits or birds hang out. I still check but knowing where these spots are and how Holly reacts, sure makes a difference! And, hearring where you are in relation to wooded areas, busy streets and other environmental cues is also really helpful.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rhonda cruz" <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
> 
> 
>> HI larry, i thought we needed to trust our dogs fully. to keep us safe.
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>> 
>>> What I don't get is that folks insist on one or the other! Some folks think they have to give up the cane in favor of the dog and there cane skills may go down. Also, I've noticed that sometimes people stop paying attention to other environmental cues and put all therere trust in the dog. I feel that if you have good skills never stop using them entirely!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Yes, all this.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:31 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>> 
>>>> There are mobility things a cane can accomplish more easily than a dog.
>>>> Finding the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox is tough with a dog, but a
>>>> breeze with a cane.  Finding the mailbox in the first place is easier with a
>>>> cane.  Mingling in a crowd is easier with a cane.  Dogs just want to go
>>>> around and will avoid taking you up to clusters of people.  As was mentioned
>>>> earlier, finding and standing in line is tough with a dog.  Odd situations
>>>> you haven't encountered before are easier with a cane, for example the weird
>>>> steps to the curb and street that I described a few months ago.  Any
>>>> information from echolocation from the tap of the cane tip is virtually
>>>> nonexistent with a dog.  Getting information about your immediate
>>>> surroundings, like am I walking past a flower bed or a giant mud puddle, is
>>>> easier with a cane.  Knowing what surface you are about to step onto before
>>>> taking that first step is way easier with a cane.  Ever take a step onto a
>>>> brick road early on a fall morning after a frost?  It is slick and a dog
>>>> can't see any ice.
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Raven Tolliver
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:56 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I do not view the cane or cane users negatively. I would never say that I am
>>>> better than cane users as a collective because I'm sure there are people who
>>>> travel more efficiently with their cane than I do with my dog. But apart
>>>> from handlers/users, guide dogs simply do more than canes do. That is a
>>>> fact, not an opinion.
>>>> It is a personal choice, just as what kind of dog, car, phone, or laptop
>>>> people decide to obtain, or what school people decide to attend. Everyone
>>>> will make their ultimate decisions based on needs, wants, affordability, and
>>>> ability to handle.
>>>> However, I will stand firm that the guide dog is a better mobility aid
>>>> because it has more capabilities and is more precise. No one has disputed
>>>> this fact with evidence or explanations.
>>>> I understand there are advantages and disadvantages to everything, but that
>>>> does not mean all things are on some neutral ground. Some cars are better
>>>> than others, some phones are better than others, and some foods are better
>>>> than others, regardless of what people can afford, are willing to put up
>>>> with, or are able to handle.
>>>> I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive. My intentions are simply to
>>>> debate and share thought-provoking ideas, not to stir up trouble or cause
>>>> some kind of divide.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Raven
>>>> 
>>>> Original Message:
>>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>      Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>> 
>>>> You obviously view the cane as negative, your posts are full of negative
>>>> language. You yourself have said you hate the cane. That baffles me, as the
>>>> cane doesn't feel anything about you, one way or another.
>>>> You are entitled to your opinion, just realize it is exactly that, your
>>>> opinion.
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