[nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Tue Jul 2 03:16:37 UTC 2013

Just be careful when you sit!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rhonda cruz" <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes


> yep, i remember that smile.
>   bonny used to tell me trust may, fully.
>
> i think i have a small bonny in my pocket,
>
>
> yes, the mobility training comes in handy,
>
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> Rhonda, we sure do! But, we also need to trust ourselves as well! For 
>> example, sometimes when Holly stops, she is just sniffing! Around here 
>> she has a few spots where other dogs write there messages or squirrels, 
>> rabbits or birds hang out. I still check but knowing where these spots 
>> are and how Holly reacts, sure makes a difference! And, hearring where 
>> you are in relation to wooded areas, busy streets and other environmental 
>> cues is also really helpful.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rhonda cruz" 
>> <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>
>>
>>> HI larry, i thought we needed to trust our dogs fully. to keep us safe.
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I don't get is that folks insist on one or the other! Some folks 
>>>> think they have to give up the cane in favor of the dog and there cane 
>>>> skills may go down. Also, I've noticed that sometimes people stop 
>>>> paying attention to other environmental cues and put all therere trust 
>>>> in the dog. I feel that if you have good skills never stop using them 
>>>> entirely!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Star Gazer" 
>>>> <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, all this.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:31 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>>>
>>>>> There are mobility things a cane can accomplish more easily than a 
>>>>> dog.
>>>>> Finding the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox is tough with a dog, but 
>>>>> a
>>>>> breeze with a cane.  Finding the mailbox in the first place is easier 
>>>>> with a
>>>>> cane.  Mingling in a crowd is easier with a cane.  Dogs just want to 
>>>>> go
>>>>> around and will avoid taking you up to clusters of people.  As was 
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> earlier, finding and standing in line is tough with a dog.  Odd 
>>>>> situations
>>>>> you haven't encountered before are easier with a cane, for example the 
>>>>> weird
>>>>> steps to the curb and street that I described a few months ago.  Any
>>>>> information from echolocation from the tap of the cane tip is 
>>>>> virtually
>>>>> nonexistent with a dog.  Getting information about your immediate
>>>>> surroundings, like am I walking past a flower bed or a giant mud 
>>>>> puddle, is
>>>>> easier with a cane.  Knowing what surface you are about to step onto 
>>>>> before
>>>>> taking that first step is way easier with a cane.  Ever take a step 
>>>>> onto a
>>>>> brick road early on a fall morning after a frost?  It is slick and a 
>>>>> dog
>>>>> can't see any ice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Raven Tolliver
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:56 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I do not view the cane or cane users negatively. I would never say 
>>>>> that I am
>>>>> better than cane users as a collective because I'm sure there are 
>>>>> people who
>>>>> travel more efficiently with their cane than I do with my dog. But 
>>>>> apart
>>>>> from handlers/users, guide dogs simply do more than canes do. That is 
>>>>> a
>>>>> fact, not an opinion.
>>>>> It is a personal choice, just as what kind of dog, car, phone, or 
>>>>> laptop
>>>>> people decide to obtain, or what school people decide to attend. 
>>>>> Everyone
>>>>> will make their ultimate decisions based on needs, wants, 
>>>>> affordability, and
>>>>> ability to handle.
>>>>> However, I will stand firm that the guide dog is a better mobility aid
>>>>> because it has more capabilities and is more precise. No one has 
>>>>> disputed
>>>>> this fact with evidence or explanations.
>>>>> I understand there are advantages and disadvantages to everything, but 
>>>>> that
>>>>> does not mean all things are on some neutral ground. Some cars are 
>>>>> better
>>>>> than others, some phones are better than others, and some foods are 
>>>>> better
>>>>> than others, regardless of what people can afford, are willing to put 
>>>>> up
>>>>> with, or are able to handle.
>>>>> I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive. My intentions are simply to
>>>>> debate and share thought-provoking ideas, not to stir up trouble or 
>>>>> cause
>>>>> some kind of divide.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Raven
>>>>>
>>>>> Original Message:
>>>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>      Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously view the cane as negative, your posts are full of 
>>>>> negative
>>>>> language. You yourself have said you hate the cane. That baffles me, 
>>>>> as the
>>>>> cane doesn't feel anything about you, one way or another.
>>>>> You are entitled to your opinion, just realize it is exactly that, 
>>>>> your
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>
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