[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update:TrainingProgramsat NAGDU Meeting

Wed Jul 3 10:46:43 UTC 2013

Artificial traffic checks are traffic checks set up by the trainers while
you're in class. 

A trainer drives in a car and pulls out unexpectedly in front of you just as
you're about to cross. The dog is then expected to disobey the forward
command and back the handler up away from the car. 

Hope that helps, 

Chantel and Pilot Dog Motley, poodle. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:24 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update:TrainingProgramsat
NAGDU Meeting

What exactly is artificial traffic checks? What do you mean by 
artificial?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chantel Cuddemi <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 00:38:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: 
TrainingProgramsat NAGDU Meeting

Guys,

Students and dogs were freaked out by the artificial traffic 
checks
set up by Pilot.  I wasn't aware that the dogs go through 
artificial
traffic checks before we got them.

On 7/2/13, Larry D.  Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
 That I didn't know! I just know that between Holly and I we 
don't have any
 probblems! She'll stop whebn cars are coming and go around those 
that park
 in the middle of the street.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: 
Training
 Programsat NAGDU Meeting

 Hi Ava,

 Pilot dogs does traffic checks while the dogs are in their 
training period

 with the trainers, before they get to you.

 You're right though, there are plenty of opportunities for the 
dog to show

 you it'll stop for traffic during your training itself.

 Hope this helps.

 Jenny
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 AM, avapup.7 at gmail.com wrote:

 I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic 
checks.  As I
 am considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm 
wondering

 if it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs 
are trained

 to stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent 
disobedience? But
 is it that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for 
their
 students where they have a car driven by a staff member to test 
them? I'd

 think that in Columbus there would be plenty of real life 
traffic checks

 without setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus 
traffic! Do

 I have it right or am I thinking of something different? 
Thanks!!

 Ava and Cocoa

 On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz 
<rhondaprincess at gmail.com
 wrote:

 the staff at pilot are good.
 maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there 
minds,
 about going to a nfb convention,
 but i will never know, if i just ask.

 On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:

 Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before 
giving

 her
 presentation.
 Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have 
calmed her
 down
 and used it as a learning opportunity.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Marsha
 Drenth
 Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
 To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting

 marion,
 When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the 
presidency.
 Althought there has been those members around since those time,, 
before

 you
 took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those 
times

 too.
 its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they 
can not
 participate.  I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if 
they
 would.  I
 do feel like that is a cop-out.

 Marsha drenth
 Sent with my IPhone

 On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
 <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:

 Rhonda,
 Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
 officer.  When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said 
Pilot
 would
 never
 attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his
 trainers
 was
 embarrassed at a meeting.  I don't remember the incident, but he 
said
 the
 trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said Pilot did 
not do
 traffic
 checks.  Apparently, the president at the time was very 
surprised and
 exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to someone 
else
 that
 was
 there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of 
the
 importance of traffic checks followed.  I told Mr.  Gray that I 
felt it

 was
 a
 reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic 
checks
 while
 assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members can be 
very
 assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult another nor 
treat
 anyone
 with disrespect or in an undignified manner.  Pilot has still 
not
 chosen to
 attend our conventions, though!

 Fraternally yours,
 Marion Gwizdala

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