[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 100, Issue 11
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> 1. Re: puppy! and Owner Training (Julie J.)
> 2. Re: puppy! (Julie J.)
> 3. Re: new guide (Laura T)
> 4. Dog Charms (Jimmy)
> 5. Re: puppy! (Star Gazer)
> 6. Huffington Post (Star Gazer)
> 7. Odie and the Fire Station4 fire truck
> (Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire)
> 8. National Convention--my opinion (Danielle A. Creapeau)
> 9. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Margo and Arrow)
> 10. Re: National Convention--my opinion (dcreapeau at gmail.com)
> 11. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Buddy Brannan)
> 12. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Cindy Ray)
> 13. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Cindy Ray)
> 14. Re: National Convention--my opinion (melissa R green)
> 15. Re: National Convention--my opinion (melissa R green)
> 16. Re: National Convention--my opinion (dcreapeau at gmail.com)
> 17. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Cindy Ray)
> 18. First timer (d m gina)
> 19. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Tina Thomas)
> 20. Re: National Convention--my opinion (d m gina)
> 21. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Cindy Ray)
> 22. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Tina Thomas)
> 23. Re: First timer (Tina Thomas)
> 24. Re: First timer (melissa R green)
> 25. Re: National Convention--my opinion (melissa R green)
> 26. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Cindy Ray)
> 27. Re: First timer (Cindy Ray)
> 28. Re: First timer (Cindy Ray)
> 29. Re: National Convention--my opinion (rhonda cruz)
> 30. Re: National Convention--my opinion (rhonda cruz)
> 31. Re: National Convention--my opinion (JULIE PHILLIPSON)
> 32. Re: First timer (rhonda cruz)
> 33. Re: National Convention--my opinion (JULIE PHILLIPSON)
> 34. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Larry D. Keeler)
> 35. Re: 11th trip in the ambulance (rhonda cruz)
> 36. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Larry D. Keeler)
> 37. Re: National Convention--my opinion (Larry D. Keeler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:31:20 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] puppy! and Owner Training
> Message-ID: <E4EA08791A4944F1B184827F3DB82445 at JuliePC>
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> Ben,
>
> My first dog was more an experiment to see if I could train a guide dog.
> She was older when I started and didn't work long before age related health
> issues became apparent. My second dog is nuts. She's still living here
> with me and she's still nuts. I worked her for a couple of years before
> ending her guiding career. She has a lot of fears of small motorized things
> and she was unpredictable. It got worse the more she was out, until no
> amount of training or management was enough to be safe. My third dog is the
> one I'm currently working. In a few weeks I will have had him for 5 years,
> which means he's coming up on 6 years old. He's been working for almost 4.
> My plan is for him to work two more years. Then when the new dog comes I
> will split the guiding up between the two of them, so the new dog can be
> eased into the responsibility and my current dog will still get in some
> work, which will make him happy.
>
> I wouldn't exactly call that three successful dogs. Each was successful in
> their own way, but I wouldn't call Belle a super successful guide. When you
> owner train, you have to be more flexible than with a program. When you go
> to a program they have lots of dogs and they know exactly what each one
> strengths and weaknesses are. When you owner train, you don't figure that
> out until the end. Sure some of it is picking a good dog to start with and
> some of it is training and socialization, but if I'm going to be brutally
> honest, I think there is a part that is just luck. For example when it
> comes to pace and pull, I have my ideal and then I have a range of what I
> can deal with. If I went to a program I would most likely get my ideal.
> Owner training means I compromise with something in my range of acceptable.
>
> When I mentioned that Monty can be pokey, that is actually only when we are
> on a route that he's done a million times and it's boring. He's a fast
> paced dog in all other circumstances. To gauge the pace of an older puppy
> or adult dog, I take them out on leash for a walk. Once they settle down a
> bit and start actually walking nice, I just notice how fast they are going
> and if it's comfortable for me. That will get you close, but when a dog
> wears a harness it may move slower or faster by a bit.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Humphreys
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 7:44 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] puppy! and Owner Training
>
> Julie,
>
> All good info. Looking forward to hearing about the trainer.
>
> I think it's interesting that you haven't had a
> single dog "wash out" for typical reasons like
> health, fear, aggression, apathy, etc. I wonder
> if part of that is just sticking with it through
> all the problems until they're worked out, if that's somehow possible.
>
> Also, you mentioned the pokiness factor, which
> for me, has been the main problem with my first
> guide, and seems to be so pervasive among
> handlers, as opposed to "my dog is too fast",
> that I wonder if it's inherent in guide work.
>
> I wonder if there is any way of evaluating walk
> speed of a puppy or at least indications of eventual pace?
>
> Great discussion...
>
> Ben
>
> At 08:26 PM 7/8/2013, you wrote:
>> Ben, I'll talk to the trainer and see if she's okay with going public.
>> *smile* Depending on the dog, I'm on my third, some things they got right
>> away and some things they didn't. Dog 1 was a rock star at overhangs, Dogs
>> 2 and 3, not so much. Dog 2 was good at locating people we know in a crowd
>> or large place. Dog 3 has been the best overall. Most things he figured
>> out with minimum to moderate instruction from me. He's super good at
>> remembering places we've been and problem solving new situations. He gets
>> bored with too much of the same thing and walks super pokey. Dog 1 was
>> content to do the same things over and over. All three needed months and
>> months of daily training. Even the areas that each dog excelled at still
>> required guidance and fine tuning. I prefer the term owner training to self
>> training. It is me, the owner, doing the training. The term self training
>> sounds to me like it???s the dog training himself. I wish that were the
>> case, but so far I haven't figured out how that works! *smile* When I
>> trained my own dogs the cost is pretty reasonable. There's the initial
>> cost of the dog or puppy, which can vary from free to several thousand
>> dollars. My previous three dogs came from shelters and were around $100.
>> Dog 4 is of course from a breeder and is $700. You need some basic
>> equipment, crate, collars, leashes, carpet cleaner, bowls, food, toys,
>> grooming supplies, vet care including some nonroutine checks on hips,
>> elbows and eyes. In addition there will be incidental expenses during the
>> training of the dog. You'll need to expose the puppy to all sorts of
>> transportation, for example, so you might find yourself taking a train you
>> wouldn't normally take for the exclusive purpose of training. I'm taking a
>> guess that $1000 could cover all of this. Less depending on where you
>> live, your particular vet and how lucky you are at scoring good deals at
>> garage sales. Of course hiring a trainer costs more. I want to talk to the
>> trainer before I talk about the costs. I want to make sure she's okay with
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:35:37 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] puppy!
> Message-ID: <CC2D6852ABF4490D8EB0B4545DDAD1B6 at JuliePC>
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> Thanks to everyone for the congratulations and well wishes! I appreciate
> it.
>
> As for names...thanks for all the ideas! I had a few ideas and I liked
> some of the suggestions so I've added those to the list. Sorry Tami, there
> will be no Killer or Cupcake! LOL
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 06:32:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Laura T <lltcna at yahoo.com>
> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide
> Message-ID:
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> Hi Melissa?
> I just began training with my first guide from Freedom Guide dogs this week he is wonderful and the trainer is great message me off list if you need something.
> lltcna at yahoo.com?
> ?
> Laura L. Thompson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 09:58:03 -0500
> From: Jimmy <jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Guide Dog Users Gwizdala
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Dog Charms
> Message-ID: <D5CCD227-8BE3-4940-9189-7E68E908C42D at gmail.com>
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> Greetings my fellow Nagdu members,
> I just wanted to briefly mention a product of mine that you fellow NFB braille users may enjoy. My business,Kustom Cane, cariies canes but also charms for canes and dog harnesses. These charms also can attach to the dog's collar. Thy come in brass, copper, and stainless in a variety of shapes including a heart, butterfly, dog tag, round tag, football tag, and more. What is cool is that you can personalize the cane charm to say whateveryou want. Some dog charms I have say: Carpe Diem- which means sieze the day.
> -Walk On! is another
> and No Boundaries is yet another.
> Put your dogs name or your name on the braille charm. Options are endless. FOr more information, call me at 901-483-1515.
> I was happy to meet some of you at convention last week and look forward to continueing to build our relationship.
> Best,
> James
>
> Sent from the Iphone of
> James Boehm
> KustomCane
> 901-483-1515.
> "don't be plain -Go Kustom Cane!"
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:19:33 -0400
> From: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] puppy!
> Message-ID: <673E1895-7E86-4485-85E6-2976F01CDF33 at gmail.com>
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> Hey Julie, I vote for Cujo. Tami, I like Killer it is actually the name of my cousins dog. Congrats Julie.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 8:35 AM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to everyone for the congratulations and well wishes! I appreciate it.
>>
>> As for names...thanks for all the ideas! I had a few ideas and I liked some of the suggestions so I've added those to the list. Sorry Tami, there will be no Killer or Cupcake! LOL
>>
>> Julie
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 11:23:32 -0400
> From: Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Huffington Post
> Message-ID: <FB558062-F1ED-4E74-9D9D-42D99C50B65C at gmail.com>
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> This is the sweetest guide dog story ever!
> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3562258?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 12:58:37 -0600
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [nagdu] Odie and the Fire Station4 fire truck
> Message-ID: <DADCCD3D12E643C890A01D8745E4B9C5 at bibi>
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> Hi, all,
> On my way back from making a quick stop over to 7 11 as we neared the fire station driveways, Odie suddenly stopped.
> I praised him with a good boy and told him to go around, figure it out.
> Unfortunately, there was no other way around the back of the fire truck, so we had no choice but to go around in while being close to trafic.
> Next thing I knew, something was on Odie's mind.
> He decided that since the door of the fire truck was opened, he'd put his happy shoe paws up on the step and want to climb into the fire truck.
> I told him "No, we're not going for a fire in the fire truck and down".
> Boy, my four-legged furry partner was disappointed.
> He was hoping for a first time ride in that fire truck.
> We then went around it and I began to tease the firemen for blocking off the driveway.
> It turned out some maintenance needed to be done on the fire truck as one of the flashers went dead.
> When I told one of the firemen how Odie saw the door opened to the fire truck, that he wanted to climb up inside of it to see if he could have a ride.
> They all had a good laughter out of it.
> I then said, "Now what's next. Odie thinking that he'll get a ride up in the bucket at the top of the truck!"
> One firemen asked him if he felt it should be allowed.
> Odie smiled and it was all the way across his face.
> I am glad that I made sure Odie was exposed to the fire truck, ambulance and police cars as well as paramedics, firemen and police officers.
> It also helped out ast he would know who he'd need to go to for help.
> I have to wonder what will be in store next from my funny, four-legged furry working partner.
> Bibi and son Odie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:47:23 -0500
> From: "Danielle A. Creapeau" <dcreapeau at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Hi everyone,
>
> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
> at by not 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract
> on these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when
> they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at
> her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after
> that.
> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator
> when it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk
> away.
> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
> beautifully.
> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good Tuesday.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:55:19 -0400
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>
> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
> Creapeau
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
> people through but don't just walk away.
> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
> messes and did their best to clean them up.
> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
> other people or dogs.
> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
> Tuesday.
>
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> t
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:57:14 -0500
> From: dcreapeau at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <FC922CB0-B11F-4024-95D2-92BB57A103E2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one would be glad to do what I can.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>
>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>> Creapeau
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>> people through but don't just walk away.
>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>> other people or dogs.
>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>> Tuesday.
>>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:03:55 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Hi,
>
> Yep, sounds about par for the course for conventions. You forgot to mention the mad rush for elevators though and how people turn into stampeding wild animals.
>
> As for shock at bad behavior, I reckon you shouldn?t be too shocked, really. Guide dog handlers generally, NFB guide dog handlers in particular, are no better and no worse than any other kind of people. This means you?re bound to see some who are irresponsible, careless, lazy, thoughtless, wonderful, caring, compassionate, heartless, cruel, giving, in control, out of control, and any other sort of adjective you?d care to use to describe some person or group. So there you have it. Now mind your step.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Danielle A. Creapeau <dcreapeau at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>> at by not 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract
>> on these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when
>> they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at
>> her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after
>> that.
>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
>> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
>> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
>> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
>> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
>> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
>> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
>> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
>> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
>> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator
>> when it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk
>> away.
>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
>> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
>> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
>> beautifully.
>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good Tuesday.
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:27:39 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <97460FB0-B82F-47F2-936A-4913599B2FDC at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having relief areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought they used wood chips, not sand.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>
>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>> Creapeau
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>> people through but don't just walk away.
>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>> other people or dogs.
>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:29:24 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <E06D6235-9AB7-49AD-8E91-6A9088147F1F at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it. Even though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one would be glad to do what I can.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>
>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>>
>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>> Creapeau
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>>> other people or dogs.
>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:32:11 -0600
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <98E00E78DAE6428E9D2FA70B1AF87C78 at HP30910210001>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi.
> Here is my take on convention.
> My girl wouldn't use the boxes at all.
> Thank goodness there were grassy areas around.
> I used disposable shoe covers when I could.
> The hotel staff was very nice and very helpful.
> My girl was hit sometimes on purpose with canes.
> On a humorous note, I felt like I was walking like a drunk because she would
> avoid the canes.
> It was good to meet many people that I have known on list for a long while,
> and to meet new people as well.
> The training program updates were informative.
> I know now what my choice in a school will be, when I make that decision
> again.
> There were many people that weren't very nice.
> So I am thanking all of those that were nice and encouraging publicly.
> The others that were critical and thought that they were king and or queen
> of how to use a guide dog aren't getting any thanks from me.
> I loved this hotel.
> I didn't like the first hotel much at all.
>
> Like many conventions I always learn so much and feel re-invigorated.
> I am looking forward to continuing our work in colorado with the
> establishment of the colorado devision of guide dog users.
> Blessings,
> Melissa Green and PJ
> facebook Melissa R Green
> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674
> skype: lissa5674
> Goodreads Melissa Green
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danielle A. Creapeau" <dcreapeau at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:47 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
> at by not 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract
> on these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when
> they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at
> her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after
> that.
> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator
> when it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk
> away.
> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
> beautifully.
> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
> Tuesday.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:35:33 -0600
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <307D656E2AE744B38363059D01A92E00 at HP30910210001>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> that would be nice.
> Years ago, I know that there was someone that monitored the relief areas at
> convention.
>
> Blessings,
> Melissa Green and PJ
> facebook Melissa R Green
> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674
> skype: lissa5674
> Goodreads Melissa Green
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>
> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>
> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
> Creapeau
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
> people through but don't just walk away.
> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
> messes and did their best to clean them up.
> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
> other people or dogs.
> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
> Tuesday.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:34:19 -0500
> From: dcreapeau at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <D85A317D-E4B8-4BFE-8E28-24AEC18C7427 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I agree with the fee. Hotel staff told me there was only the 1 relief area down the path by the front doors.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it. Even though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one would be glad to do what I can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>
>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>>>
>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>>> Creapeau
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>>>> other people or dogs.
>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>>> Tuesday.
>>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:38:01 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <D93C2FA5-723B-4480-A045-E08C7DBDF888 at gmail.com>
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> Did you have an agenda? It listed them, and there was one out close to the escallators, I think. I didn't pay much attention this year as I did not bring my dog.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:34 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I agree with the fee. Hotel staff told me there was only the 1 relief area down the path by the front doors.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it. Even though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one would be glad to do what I can.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>>
>>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>>>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>>>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>>>> Creapeau
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>>>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>>>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>>>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>>>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>>>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>>>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>>>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>>>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>>>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>>>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>>>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>>>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>>>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>>>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>>>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>>>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>>>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>>>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>>>>> other people or dogs.
>>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>>>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>>>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>>>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>>>> Tuesday.
>>>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:39:01 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] First timer
> Message-ID: 138d215f-94ab-4fde-adbb-76cb069779e0 at samobile.net
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> this was my first time for convention, I tried hard keeping my dog in
> control, where when he learned that dogs were groweling at him he would
> growel back.
> he got corrected, where in his mind he wanted to play.
> Some of the dogs were so out of hand I would scream.
> When a person knows their dog will do this every time they are around
> large groups of dogs, they should let the school know, or not bring the dog.
> I spoke to seeing eye about this, saying that my dog did join in but at
> no time did he jump on any dog.
> I had helpers tell me it wasn't my dog it was the persons dog.
> I will not put up with this kind of foolishness.
> I was shown how to keep the collar up under chin then correct.
> Now his hotel work wow.
> he would be given a command, then seeing something he wanted to go to
> he would take off and take me with him.
> At no time could I know this hotel.
> I never did get it figured out.
> At the banquet his paw did get stepped on where he did limp.
> Another lady did share this with me.
> His room manners were wonderful.
> the noise of the water fall in front was so loud I would get disoriented.
> I had to ask staff to help me out with the dog.
> I don't live back east, so to have the humidity blast you in the face
> as you went out was unreal.
> I loved the days when it wasn't bad at all going out.
> For me it was hard to give a command inside the building.
> I felt the staff were wonderful.
> Now the air conditioners cause my hip to hurt so bad I would cry.
> I had to get used to the loud noise.
> I can handle a crowd sitting as we did, where to have all of this
> talking in the lobby is another matter.
> Would I go again, yes, to help out Montana.
> He traveled well going and coming.
>
> --
> --Dar
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> every sinner has a future
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:41:45 -0700
> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <003d01ce7ced$1d82fc60$5888f520$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Yes, the hotel staff were referring people to receive their dogs in the
> place reserved for pets who stay with their guests at the hotel. Also, I did
> monitor some handlers relieving their dogs in the flower beds in front of
> the hotel. The manager came out and informed these folks of this, and he was
> ignored. The hotel ended up having to put wire around the grassy area in
> front of the hotel to keep folks out.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> dcreapeau at gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:34 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> I agree with the fee. Hotel staff told me there was only the 1 relief area
> down the path by the front doors.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children come
> to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog relief,
> like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs or
> children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it. Even
> though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one
> would be glad to do what I can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>
>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I
>>>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure adequate
>>>> relief areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does this type of work
> do this type of work for us.
>>>>
>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>>> Creapeau
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla
>>>> and I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got
>>>> snapped at by not
>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these
>>>> other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they
>>>> jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at
>>>> her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after
> that.
>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>>>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that
>>>> this was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things
>>>> are commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the
>>>> size of the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a
>>>> single parking space and from what I understand, there were a couple
>>>> hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a
>>>> space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand
>>>> which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't
>>>> set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware
>>>> that it costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything
>>>> that we as a division can be doing to make the area bigger or
>>>> cleaner? Furthermore, as the week went on, I noticed a lot of
>>>> accidents near the escalators that were just left behind for someone
>>>> else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as well; I'm not saying
>>>> that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed to try to
>>>> clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I know
>>>> that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did
>>>> stand by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>>>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>>>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>>>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else
>>>> while his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired
>>>> me with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked
>>>> as a team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still
>>>> feeling each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow
> together so beautifully.
>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a
>>>> good Tuesday.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> rizon.ne
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>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:42:35 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: eac0ce9e-5395-404a-87f1-82099a1486de at samobile.net
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> A collection was made in the meeting.
> Glad nagdu helps with this as well.
> I need to find the meeting for Wednesday, I went to another event that
> interested me.
> Can you send it again?
>
> Original message:
>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children
>> come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the
>> dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have
>> the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by
>> charging for it. Even though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing
>> to pay a fee for it.
>
>> CL
>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one
>>> would be glad to do what I can.
>
>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>
>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>
>>>> Margo and Arrow
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>>> Creapeau
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>
>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>>>> other people or dogs.
>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>>> Tuesday.
>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nagdu mailing list
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>>>> t
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:44:57 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <9296B7E2-F5A1-4BA2-9292-A193846017DF at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The collection was taken up and didn't even come close to covering the cost of the relief areas. If the relief areas are $3500 to maintain, we didn't even touch it. I am not sure what we collected, and there was a collection at the exhibit hall as well. I would be surprised if we picked up 1/3 of the cost in donations, but I wouldn't swear to that either. A fee would hold us all equally responsible. I would think that some arrangements could be made on a case by case basis if such a fee was too much for someone, but it would need to be something that was done privately and without the knowledge of the rest of us.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:42 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>
>> A collection was made in the meeting.
>> Glad nagdu helps with this as well.
>> I need to find the meeting for Wednesday, I went to another event that interested me.
>> Can you send it again?
>>
>> Original message:
>>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it. Even though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>>
>>> CL
>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one would be glad to do what I can.
>>
>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>
>>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>>>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>>>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>
>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>>>> Creapeau
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>>>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>>>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>>>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>>>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>>>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>>>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>>>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>>>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>>>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>>>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>>>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>>>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>>>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>>>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>>>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>>>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>>>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>>>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>>>>> other people or dogs.
>>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>>>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>>>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>>>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>>>> Tuesday.
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:03:49 -0700
> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Yes Cindy, it was wood chips, however when it rained, the chips turned in to
> slush. Now, my girl would not step foot in that relief area for anything. I
> ended up having to curb her.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having relief
> areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought they used
> wood chips, not sand.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>
>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I
>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief
>> areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does this type of work do this
> type of work for us.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>> Creapeau
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>> at by not
>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these
>> other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they
>> jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her.
>> Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
>> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
>> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
>> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
>> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
>> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
>> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
>> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
>> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
>> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator when
> it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
>> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
>> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
> beautifully.
>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:11:26 -0700
> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First timer
> Message-ID: <004201ce7cf1$43367cd0$c9a37670$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dar- I know what you mean about the out of control dogs. Handlers were
> talking on their phones, or with other people who they were traveling with
> and not paying attention to what was going on around them or to what their
> dogs were doing. My girl was attacked by another guide dog while we were
> trying to exit an elevator and she had to defend herself. SE was notified of
> the incident and the other dogs school was told about the issue.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:39 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] First timer
>
> this was my first time for convention, I tried hard keeping my dog in
> control, where when he learned that dogs were groweling at him he would
> growel back.
> he got corrected, where in his mind he wanted to play.
> Some of the dogs were so out of hand I would scream.
> When a person knows their dog will do this every time they are around large
> groups of dogs, they should let the school know, or not bring the dog.
> I spoke to seeing eye about this, saying that my dog did join in but at no
> time did he jump on any dog.
> I had helpers tell me it wasn't my dog it was the persons dog.
> I will not put up with this kind of foolishness.
> I was shown how to keep the collar up under chin then correct.
> Now his hotel work wow.
> he would be given a command, then seeing something he wanted to go to he
> would take off and take me with him.
> At no time could I know this hotel.
> I never did get it figured out.
> At the banquet his paw did get stepped on where he did limp.
> Another lady did share this with me.
> His room manners were wonderful.
> the noise of the water fall in front was so loud I would get disoriented.
> I had to ask staff to help me out with the dog.
> I don't live back east, so to have the humidity blast you in the face as you
> went out was unreal.
> I loved the days when it wasn't bad at all going out.
> For me it was hard to give a command inside the building.
> I felt the staff were wonderful.
> Now the air conditioners cause my hip to hurt so bad I would cry.
> I had to get used to the loud noise.
> I can handle a crowd sitting as we did, where to have all of this talking in
> the lobby is another matter.
> Would I go again, yes, to help out Montana.
> He traveled well going and coming.
>
> --
> --Dar
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:23:38 -0600
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First timer
> Message-ID: <F3A080CF9CD343F4A6CE05B71AA83E1F at HP30910210001>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I happen to notice people getting upset even when the handler was doing the
> right thing in correcting the dogs for misbehaving.
> I believe that we forget that we can't take the dog out of the guide dog.
> Many times dogs communicate with each other and we have no clue whats
> happening until something jumps off.
> Blessings,
> Melissa Green and PJ
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First timer
>
>
> Dar- I know what you mean about the out of control dogs. Handlers were
> talking on their phones, or with other people who they were traveling with
> and not paying attention to what was going on around them or to what their
> dogs were doing. My girl was attacked by another guide dog while we were
> trying to exit an elevator and she had to defend herself. SE was notified of
> the incident and the other dogs school was told about the issue.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:39 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] First timer
>
> this was my first time for convention, I tried hard keeping my dog in
> control, where when he learned that dogs were groweling at him he would
> growel back.
> he got corrected, where in his mind he wanted to play.
> Some of the dogs were so out of hand I would scream.
> When a person knows their dog will do this every time they are around large
> groups of dogs, they should let the school know, or not bring the dog.
> I spoke to seeing eye about this, saying that my dog did join in but at no
> time did he jump on any dog.
> I had helpers tell me it wasn't my dog it was the persons dog.
> I will not put up with this kind of foolishness.
> I was shown how to keep the collar up under chin then correct.
> Now his hotel work wow.
> he would be given a command, then seeing something he wanted to go to he
> would take off and take me with him.
> At no time could I know this hotel.
> I never did get it figured out.
> At the banquet his paw did get stepped on where he did limp.
> Another lady did share this with me.
> His room manners were wonderful.
> the noise of the water fall in front was so loud I would get disoriented.
> I had to ask staff to help me out with the dog.
> I don't live back east, so to have the humidity blast you in the face as you
> went out was unreal.
> I loved the days when it wasn't bad at all going out.
> For me it was hard to give a command inside the building.
> I felt the staff were wonderful.
> Now the air conditioners cause my hip to hurt so bad I would cry.
> I had to get used to the loud noise.
> I can handle a crowd sitting as we did, where to have all of this talking in
> the lobby is another matter.
> Would I go again, yes, to help out Montana.
> He traveled well going and coming.
>
> --
> --Dar
> skype: dmgina23
> FB: dmgina
> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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> every sinner has a future
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:26:23 -0600
> From: "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> Message-ID: <57E87C4BA6A344318CB84F0F52558100 at HP30910210001>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I asked the staff to show me to the grassy areas around the releif areas.
> I was glad that there were three areas to take the dog.
> Blessings,
> Melissa Green and PJ
> facebook Melissa R Green
> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674
> skype: lissa5674
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>
> Yes Cindy, it was wood chips, however when it rained, the chips turned in to
> slush. Now, my girl would not step foot in that relief area for anything. I
> ended up having to curb her.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having relief
> areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought they used
> wood chips, not sand.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>
>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I
>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief
>> areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does this type of work do this
> type of work for us.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>> Creapeau
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>> at by not
>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these
>> other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they
>> jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her.
>> Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
>> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
>> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
>> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
>> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
>> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
>> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
>> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
>> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
>> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator when
> it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
>> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
>> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
> beautifully.
>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:41:36 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Yes, I know the wood chips are really awful if they get wet. That's why the areas in garages or under some kind of covering are so much better. Don't know if Fisher would have gone in the boxes or not. He has always done so.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:03 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes Cindy, it was wood chips, however when it rained, the chips turned in to
>> slush. Now, my girl would not step foot in that relief area for anything. I
>> ended up having to curb her.
>> Tina and the girls
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:28 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having relief
>> areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought they used
>> wood chips, not sand.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>
>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I
>>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief
>>> areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does this type of work do this
>> type of work for us.
>>>
>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>> Creapeau
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>>> at by not
>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these
>>> other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they
>>> jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her.
>>> Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
>>> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
>>> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
>>> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
>>> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
>>> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>>> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
>>> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
>>> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
>>> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
>>> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator when
>> it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>>> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
>>> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
>>> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
>> beautifully.
>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:43:46 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First timer
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> Well, there was a general rudeness at the convention regarding phones. They were being used in meetings; people don't seem to have regard for appropriate phone etiquette. . Also, I do think we all have to remember that the convention is a really stressful time for users and for dogs; we should all take care to have our dogs under control and be paying strict attention to them. They may do things you would have never expected if they were at home.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dar- I know what you mean about the out of control dogs. Handlers were
>> talking on their phones, or with other people who they were traveling with
>> and not paying attention to what was going on around them or to what their
>> dogs were doing. My girl was attacked by another guide dog while we were
>> trying to exit an elevator and she had to defend herself. SE was notified of
>> the incident and the other dogs school was told about the issue.
>> Tina and the girls
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:39 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] First timer
>>
>> this was my first time for convention, I tried hard keeping my dog in
>> control, where when he learned that dogs were groweling at him he would
>> growel back.
>> he got corrected, where in his mind he wanted to play.
>> Some of the dogs were so out of hand I would scream.
>> When a person knows their dog will do this every time they are around large
>> groups of dogs, they should let the school know, or not bring the dog.
>> I spoke to seeing eye about this, saying that my dog did join in but at no
>> time did he jump on any dog.
>> I had helpers tell me it wasn't my dog it was the persons dog.
>> I will not put up with this kind of foolishness.
>> I was shown how to keep the collar up under chin then correct.
>> Now his hotel work wow.
>> he would be given a command, then seeing something he wanted to go to he
>> would take off and take me with him.
>> At no time could I know this hotel.
>> I never did get it figured out.
>> At the banquet his paw did get stepped on where he did limp.
>> Another lady did share this with me.
>> His room manners were wonderful.
>> the noise of the water fall in front was so loud I would get disoriented.
>> I had to ask staff to help me out with the dog.
>> I don't live back east, so to have the humidity blast you in the face as you
>> went out was unreal.
>> I loved the days when it wasn't bad at all going out.
>> For me it was hard to give a command inside the building.
>> I felt the staff were wonderful.
>> Now the air conditioners cause my hip to hurt so bad I would cry.
>> I had to get used to the loud noise.
>> I can handle a crowd sitting as we did, where to have all of this talking in
>> the lobby is another matter.
>> Would I go again, yes, to help out Montana.
>> He traveled well going and coming.
>>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:46:16 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First timer
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> Yes, I think you make a good point, Melissa, and this is why I did not bring my dog. I was sick to death of being treated like that. I think we have to all be calm as possible. Maybe Dar did not realize what a crowd it would be. It is a little overwhelming to be sure, especially if you don't get out into large crowds a lot, and there are some tensions that come from all being in a little unfamiliar situation. I think we have to do the best we can with regard to being kind and courteous both to each other and to those who are staff who say to not use their flower beds.
>
> I'd better stop posting here cause I've already done my quota.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:23 PM, "melissa R green" <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> I happen to notice people getting upset even when the handler was doing the
>> right thing in correcting the dogs for misbehaving.
>> I believe that we forget that we can't take the dog out of the guide dog.
>> Many times dogs communicate with each other and we have no clue whats
>> happening until something jumps off.
>> Blessings,
>> Melissa Green and PJ
>> facebook Melissa R Green
>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 4:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First timer
>>
>>
>> Dar- I know what you mean about the out of control dogs. Handlers were
>> talking on their phones, or with other people who they were traveling with
>> and not paying attention to what was going on around them or to what their
>> dogs were doing. My girl was attacked by another guide dog while we were
>> trying to exit an elevator and she had to defend herself. SE was notified of
>> the incident and the other dogs school was told about the issue.
>> Tina and the girls
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:39 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] First timer
>>
>> this was my first time for convention, I tried hard keeping my dog in
>> control, where when he learned that dogs were groweling at him he would
>> growel back.
>> he got corrected, where in his mind he wanted to play.
>> Some of the dogs were so out of hand I would scream.
>> When a person knows their dog will do this every time they are around large
>> groups of dogs, they should let the school know, or not bring the dog.
>> I spoke to seeing eye about this, saying that my dog did join in but at no
>> time did he jump on any dog.
>> I had helpers tell me it wasn't my dog it was the persons dog.
>> I will not put up with this kind of foolishness.
>> I was shown how to keep the collar up under chin then correct.
>> Now his hotel work wow.
>> he would be given a command, then seeing something he wanted to go to he
>> would take off and take me with him.
>> At no time could I know this hotel.
>> I never did get it figured out.
>> At the banquet his paw did get stepped on where he did limp.
>> Another lady did share this with me.
>> His room manners were wonderful.
>> the noise of the water fall in front was so loud I would get disoriented.
>> I had to ask staff to help me out with the dog.
>> I don't live back east, so to have the humidity blast you in the face as you
>> went out was unreal.
>> I loved the days when it wasn't bad at all going out.
>> For me it was hard to give a command inside the building.
>> I felt the staff were wonderful.
>> Now the air conditioners cause my hip to hurt so bad I would cry.
>> I had to get used to the loud noise.
>> I can handle a crowd sitting as we did, where to have all of this talking in
>> the lobby is another matter.
>> Would I go again, yes, to help out Montana.
>> He traveled well going and coming.
>>
>> --
>> --Dar
>> skype: dmgina23
>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
>>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:51:46 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> hello all, this is why, i stay home. and listen from home about convention,
> glad to hear it went well.
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yep, sounds about par for the course for conventions. You forgot to mention the mad rush for elevators though and how people turn into stampeding wild animals.
>>
>> As for shock at bad behavior, I reckon you shouldn?t be too shocked, really. Guide dog handlers generally, NFB guide dog handlers in particular, are no better and no worse than any other kind of people. This means you?re bound to see some who are irresponsible, careless, lazy, thoughtless, wonderful, caring, compassionate, heartless, cruel, giving, in control, out of control, and any other sort of adjective you?d care to use to describe some person or group. So there you have it. Now mind your step.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Danielle A. Creapeau <dcreapeau at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>>> at by not 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract
>>> on these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when
>>> they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at
>>> her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after
>>> that.
>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
>>> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
>>> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
>>> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
>>> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
>>> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>>> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
>>> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
>>> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
>>> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
>>> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator
>>> when it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk
>>> away.
>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>>> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
>>> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
>>> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
>>> beautifully.
>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good Tuesday.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 15:53:17 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> hi cindy, i think acb does charge.
> but i haven't taken my dog to convention not yet, but i will.
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>
>> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having relief areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought they used wood chips, not sand.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>
>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite the
>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd like
>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>>
>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>> Creapeau
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by not
>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out from
>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she
>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made me
>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my first
>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that this
>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla
>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the
>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that were
>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were supposed
>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by the
>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, eating,
>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>>> other people or dogs.
>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me with
>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla
>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It
>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> Message: 31
> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:26:23 -0400
> From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> No my dog would not use it once the rain flooded it, but before that he
> did. We had to go for a walk and find someplace else for him to go the
> second day because he would not go number 2 there. He went on the pavement
> for the first time ever because the box got so disgusting he would not use
> it. After that he did O K. I was very concerned when I went out one
> morning and was told by some guy may be a UPS volunteer, to go to the right
> out the door. I was looking for a box off the curb I didn't know there was
> a sign there saying dog relief area. I could not clean up there because
> the grass was so long. I agree we need to find another way to handle it
> and try to make everyone more responsible.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:04 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Yes Cindy, it was wood chips, however when it rained, the chips turned in
> to slush. Now, my girl would not step foot in that relief area for
> anything. I ended up having to curb her.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:28 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having
> relief areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought
> they used wood chips, not sand.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>
>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I
>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief
>> areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does this type of work do
>> this
> type of work for us.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>> Creapeau
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>> at by not
>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these
>> other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they
>> jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her.
>> Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
>> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
>> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
>> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
>> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
>> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
>> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
>> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
>> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
>> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator
>> when
> it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
>> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
>> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
> beautifully.
>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>> Tuesday.
>>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:31:39 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First timer
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> hi gina, i'm glad to hear that you and your guide dog had a good time at convention,
> it takes time to get used to convention.
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:39 PM, d m gina wrote:
>
>> this was my first time for convention, I tried hard keeping my dog in control, where when he learned that dogs were groweling at him he would growel back.
>> he got corrected, where in his mind he wanted to play.
>> Some of the dogs were so out of hand I would scream.
>> When a person knows their dog will do this every time they are around large groups of dogs, they should let the school know, or not bring the dog.
>> I spoke to seeing eye about this, saying that my dog did join in but at no time did he jump on any dog.
>> I had helpers tell me it wasn't my dog it was the persons dog.
>> I will not put up with this kind of foolishness.
>> I was shown how to keep the collar up under chin then correct.
>> Now his hotel work wow.
>> he would be given a command, then seeing something he wanted to go to he would take off and take me with him.
>> At no time could I know this hotel.
>> I never did get it figured out.
>> At the banquet his paw did get stepped on where he did limp.
>> Another lady did share this with me.
>> His room manners were wonderful.
>> the noise of the water fall in front was so loud I would get disoriented.
>> I had to ask staff to help me out with the dog.
>> I don't live back east, so to have the humidity blast you in the face as you went out was unreal.
>> I loved the days when it wasn't bad at all going out.
>> For me it was hard to give a command inside the building.
>> I felt the staff were wonderful.
>> Now the air conditioners cause my hip to hurt so bad I would cry.
>> I had to get used to the loud noise.
>> I can handle a crowd sitting as we did, where to have all of this talking in the lobby is another matter.
>> Would I go again, yes, to help out Montana.
>> He traveled well going and coming.
>>
>> --
>> --Dar
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>> FB: dmgina
>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> every saint has a past
>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 33
> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:33:00 -0400
> From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
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> Yes I just ait for the majority of the crowd to go ahead. I ended up
> having a nice conversation with a man from Deque systems so it was not time
> waisted any way!
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of rhonda cruz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> hello all, this is why, i stay home. and listen from home about
> convention, glad to hear it went well.
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yep, sounds about par for the course for conventions. You forgot to
> mention the mad rush for elevators though and how people turn into
> stampeding wild animals.
>>
>> As for shock at bad behavior, I reckon you shouldn't be too shocked,
> really. Guide dog handlers generally, NFB guide dog handlers in particular,
> are no better and no worse than any other kind of people. This means you're
> bound to see some who are irresponsible, careless, lazy, thoughtless,
> wonderful, caring, compassionate, heartless, cruel, giving, in control, out
> of control, and any other sort of adjective you'd care to use to describe
> some person or group. So there you have it. Now mind your step.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Danielle A. Creapeau <dcreapeau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>>> at by not 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract
>>> on these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when
>>> they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come
>>> at her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere
>>> after that.
>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that
>>> this was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things
>>> are commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the
>>> size of the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single
>>> parking space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred
>>> dogs in attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for
>>> all those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner?
>>> Furthermore, as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near
>>> the escalators that were just left behind for someone else to clean
>>> up. Valla had her accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't
>>> happen but I thought we were supposed to try to clean them up and
>>> tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I know that these were
>>> near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the
>>> bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let people
>>> through but don't just walk away.
>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired
>>> me with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked
>>> as a team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still
>>> feeling each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow
>>> together so beautifully.
>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
> Tuesday.
>>>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 19:36:30 -0400
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Yah, Buddy! I usually learn more than one way to the places I'm going during
> conventions. I've been to a few state conventions and also a few other
> conventions with mostly sighted folks. Most convention behavior is similar.
> Although I also notice that some cane folks swing that thing around like
> they are on a mission to destroy whatever is in front of them including
> other blind folks and also dogs! I've been smacked with canes as well as
> Holly and had my feet stompped on and have been shoved around by other blind
> folks just so they can get there first and clear everything out of there
> way! Also, you have those that don't clean up after there dogs or can't
> handle them. Or, take up 10 times more space than anyone else in the room!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Yep, sounds about par for the course for conventions. You forgot to mention
> the mad rush for elevators though and how people turn into stampeding wild
> animals.
>
> As for shock at bad behavior, I reckon you shouldn?t be too shocked, really.
> Guide dog handlers generally, NFB guide dog handlers in particular, are no
> better and no worse than any other kind of people. This means you?re bound
> to see some who are irresponsible, careless, lazy, thoughtless, wonderful,
> caring, compassionate, heartless, cruel, giving, in control, out of control,
> and any other sort of adjective you?d care to use to describe some person or
> group. So there you have it. Now mind your step.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:47 PM, Danielle A. Creapeau <dcreapeau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and
>> I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped
>> at by not 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract
>> on these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when
>> they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at
>> her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to go anywhere after
>> that.
>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me,
>> made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this
>> was my first convention so I don't know if some of these things are
>> commonplace at convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking
>> space and from what I understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in
>> attendance. I felt that this was way too small of a space for all
>> those dogs. Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White Cane
>> fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it costs
>> money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>> as the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators
>> that were just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her
>> accidents as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the
>> hotel staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I
>> feel like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator
>> when it happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk
>> away.
>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>> by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>> eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again,
>> not trying to imply that these things don't happen but it was
>> frustrating when someone else was too busy doing something else while
>> his or her dog distracted on other people or dogs.
>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>> with the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a
>> team. Valla and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling
>> each other out. It was just amazing to see teams that flow together so
>> beautifully.
>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>> Tuesday.
>>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:36:13 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] 11th trip in the ambulance
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> hi bbibi, glad to hear that you, are safe. and that odie took care of you. i hope the weather gets nicer for you, all the best.
>
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
>> Bibi, that is awesome that you are all right and that Odie is such a good boy, and so well trained. You should seriously consider writing a book on Odie, people would love to hear all about Odie, including me. Glad you are feeling well and that Odie is calm.
>>
>> Sarah and Wizard
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>> Date sent: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 21:24:04 -0600
>> Subject: [nagdu] 11th trip in the ambulance
>>
>> Hi, all,
>> Well, I didn't want to do it, but had to last Tuesday, July 2nd, 2013.
>> The night before on the 1st, Odie began to alert that something was medicall wrong with me.
>> Sure enough, he was right.
>> As I bent down to clean up after him, it felt as though someone kicked me square in the chest or just punched me hard.
>> I felt myself short of breath and figured I'd try to sleep off my asthma trouble.
>> Next morning around 7:00 in the morning, I woke up and Odie was pushing on the bed matress, telling me that I really needed to get medical help, fast.
>> I felt that Odie was my priority who needed to be fed and bathroom right away.
>> Around 8:00 AM, I finally pushed my Gold Eagle Systems medical alert alarm, describing to the call center what was going on with me medically.
>> Denver Paramedic Dispatch called back, letting me know they received a medical alarm from Gold Eagle Systems and began to ask what was going on.
>> While talking with them, Fire Station4 and an ambulance showed up.
>> I made it clear that since Odie is my medical alert service dog, he would be going with me as me to the hospital.
>> i'll admit that by the time I arrived at the hospital and was settled in the exam room inside of the emergency room, Odie calmed down tremendously.
>> He actually went to sleep, being assured that I was going to be all right.
>> Cause of my asthma flare up was due to the heavy, duty, smoke from all the wild fires here in Colorado and being in an apartment complex where half of the air conditioning works right while the rest doesn.
>> Confession time here...
>> I'm sure some may think I was a little too rough on the fire department and paramedics when it came to me being firm that Odie was going with me, no ifs or buts.
>> Reason being is sadly, there have been cases which have popped up here in Denver, Colorado were some paramedics denied a service dog into the ambulance.
>> No good or clear reason why, but I hope this will be investigated further and if I have to fight that one, than I will do so.
>> I also forgot one thing.
>> I did praise Odie lots for letting me know there was definitely a medical problem that needed to be addressed immediately.
>> ONce inside the emergency examination room, a paramedic tapped the cushion bench just next to me on the left hand side to see if Odie would get up on it or not.
>> Thanks to the hard, training, my partner said, "Oh NO! I'm going to go underneath the bench to lie down on the floor like my mommy taught me."
>> Although I am feeling better, I still have to be careful and probably listen to the news more to keep a lookout on the air quality.
>> If it is really bad outdoors tomorrow, then I don't plan on going anywhere unless I absolutely have to.
>> I'm thankful and blessed to have Odie as my medical alert partner.
>> He's save me lots, even when it isn't medical related.
>> He's also a great walking live carbon manoxide/smoke detector as well.
>> If he were to smell smoke, he'll let me know immediately.
>> I just may have to write a book on my partner.
>> I'll probably call it:
>> Odie
>> The Four-legged Furry Hero
>> in the hopes that people may like it.
>> Well, catch you'alls soon.
>> Bibi and son Odie
>> medical alert angel
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> Message: 36
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 19:39:24 -0400
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Yes, Cindy they do. I regularly talk to a good friend of mine who says they
> charge something like $25 for every dog handler. I here its supposed to be a
> donation but I am really not sure. Maybe are ACB readers can clarify that
> for us.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>
>> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having
>> relief areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought
>> they used wood chips, not sand.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>
>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite
>>> the
>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd
>>> like
>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>>
>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>> Creapeau
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by
>>> not
>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these other
>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out
>>> from
>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say,
>>> she
>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made
>>> me
>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my
>>> first
>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area for
>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that
>>> this
>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that it's
>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water.
>>> Valla
>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it,
>>> the
>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as
>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that
>>> were
>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were
>>> supposed
>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it. I
>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse. If
>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and let
>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by
>>> the
>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>>> eating,
>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying to
>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted on
>>> other people or dogs.
>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>>> with
>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team.
>>> Valla
>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out.
>>> It
>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>> Tuesday.
>>>
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> Message: 37
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 19:41:46 -0400
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
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> Or, if you can't pay for some reason, volunteer to help keep it clean!
> Nothing wrong with pitching in with bags, shovels and hoses!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>
>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children come
>> to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog relief,
>> like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs or
>> children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it. Even
>> though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one
>>> would be glad to do what I can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>
>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief areas.
>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing. I apprecaite
>>>> the
>>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd
>>>> like
>>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for us.
>>>>
>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>>> Creapeau
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at by
>>>> not
>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these
>>>> other
>>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out
>>>> from
>>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say,
>>>> she
>>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made
>>>> me
>>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my
>>>> first
>>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area
>>>> for
>>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what
>>>> I
>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that
>>>> this
>>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that
>>>> it's
>>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water.
>>>> Valla
>>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it,
>>>> the
>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that it
>>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>>>> as
>>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that
>>>> were
>>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents
>>>> as
>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were
>>>> supposed
>>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it.
>>>> I
>>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse.
>>>> If
>>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and
>>>> let
>>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand by
>>>> the
>>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>>>> eating,
>>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying
>>>> to
>>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted
>>>> on
>>>> other people or dogs.
>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>>>> with
>>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team.
>>>> Valla
>>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other out.
>>>> It
>>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>>> Tuesday.
>>>>
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