[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Wed Jul 10 15:45:25 UTC 2013

Mary, I think that is a fantastic idea. I had a similar problem wtih the 
box. My dog just hates it. She'll do the first part, but not the second. The 
grass was long, but I did manage to clean up after her. A social event 
sounds really good.

Sherri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Wurtzel" <marywurtzel at att.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Hello,

I thought this would be a place for me to report on our first convention.
First, I would also be happy to make a donation to help with the cost of the
relief area.  However, Felix refused to go into the box.  I tried several
times.  I put him in, which is no small task, and he just jumped back out.
I had to find grass.  It was hard to pickup  because the grass is so long
there.  Otherwise, we did a fantastic job.  I attended the NAGDU meetings.
I just wish there would have been a way to actually socialize with other
guide dog users.  Maybe next year when we are a pro team we can host a
party, lol.
Mary

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert stigile
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:06 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Hello Mike
IAM wondering if it might be possible to have a button on the registration
process in preregistration online
It could be a button that people can check that they want to pay $25 or not
check if they don't want to but I would be willing to pay 25 if I was coming
across that on convention registration
Just my thought

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:28 AM, "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
wrote:

> It seems to me that during the pre registration process there should be a
> mechanism to pay something like $25 toward the relief area.  It could be
> mandatory for guide dog users, but I would rather try first a voluntary
> donation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 07:15 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> No, in the registration material for the convention, you would say, "If
you
> are bringing a guide dog, you must pay $25; maybe it could be $20 if you
> pre-registered. You can't count on people to come to NAGDU to pay this
fee.
> There are far more dogs than there are people who attend, which is another
> issue entirely. LOL.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:55 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>
>> I think that part of the problem was that a lot of people didn't/don't
> come to NAGDU meetings, so they could pretend they didn't know there was a
> relieving fee.  I think it was talked about in convention literature
before
> the convention, but it still depended on people finding NAGDU to pay up.
It
> was a long time ago, but that's what I think.
>> With childcare, one brings the child to a certain area, so the fee can be
> assessed there.  Now I'm picturing a turnstile by the relief area, so a
> person has to pay to get in!  Which would just make people take their dogs
> elsewhere.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>>
>>> I think we need to do it again. I don't think it was $25 though. I was
> thinking it was $15. No matter. Ed and Toni asked for it as a donation, I
> think. I am not sure how we would get everyone to live into it, but people
> have to pay for childcare. No pay, no childcare. If we knew in advance of
> the convention we were paying it, then we need to work it into our
budgets.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NAGDU did try charging a $25 fee some time ago, like in the early
'90's.
> It only lasted a few years, so I guess something about it wasn't working.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The collection was taken up and didn't even come close to covering the
> cost of the relief areas. If the relief areas are $3500 to maintain, we
> didn't even touch it. I am not sure what we collected, and there was a
> collection at the exhibit hall as well. I would be surprised if we picked
up
> 1/3 of the cost in donations, but I wouldn't swear to that either. A fee
> would hold us all equally responsible. I would think that some
arrangements
> could be made on a case by case basis if such a fee was too much for
> someone, but it would need to be something that was done privately and
> without the knowledge of the rest of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:42 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A collection was made in the meeting.
>>>>>> Glad nagdu helps with this as well.
>>>>>> I need to find the meeting for Wednesday, I went to another event
that
> interested me.
>>>>>> Can you send it again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose
children
> come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog
> relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs
> or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it.
Even
> though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for
> one would be glad to do what I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow"
> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Danielle.  I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief
> areas.
>>>>>>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing.  I
>>>>>>>>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure adequate
>>>>>>>>> relief areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does this type of
> work do this type of work for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Danielle
> A.
>>>>>>>>> Creapeau
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week.
>>>>>>>>> Valla and I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because
>>>>>>>>> she got snapped at by not
>>>>>>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on
>>>>>>>>> these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them
>>>>>>>>> when they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and
>>>>>>>>> tried to come at her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to
> go anywhere after that.
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked
>>>>>>>>> me, made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll
>>>>>>>>> say that this was my first convention so I don't know if some
>>>>>>>>> of these things are commonplace at convention or not. I was
>>>>>>>>> sort of shocked by the size of the park area for the dogs. It
>>>>>>>>> was about the size of a single parking space and from what I
>>>>>>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I
>>>>>>>>> felt that this was way too small of a space for all those dogs.
>>>>>>>>> Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets pretty
>>>>>>>>> sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in
>>>>>>>>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White
>>>>>>>>> Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that
>>>>>>>>> it costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything
>>>>>>>>> that we as a division can be doing to make the area bigger or
>>>>>>>>> cleaner? Furthermore, as the week went on, I noticed a lot of
>>>>>>>>> accidents near the escalators that were just left behind for
>>>>>>>>> someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as well; I'm
>>>>>>>>> not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were
>>>>>>>>> supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel
> staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I feel like
> that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator when it
happens,
> step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>>>>>>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did
>>>>>>>>> stand by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>>>>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on
>>>>>>>>> phones, eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs
>>>>>>>>> too. again, not trying to imply that these things don't happen
>>>>>>>>> but it was frustrating when someone else was too busy doing
>>>>>>>>> something else while his or her dog distracted on other people or
> dogs.
>>>>>>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely
>>>>>>>>> inspired me with the bonds they have with their dogs and the
>>>>>>>>> way they worked as a team. Valla and I just met in October of
>>>>>>>>> 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It was just amazing to
> see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>>>>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having
>>>>>>>>> a good Tuesday.
>>>>>>
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