[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Wed Jul 10 16:48:23 UTC 2013 

How neat, Mary, that the convention went well for you. You were apprehensive, and then it was all good.  *smile*

Cindy Lou

On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "Mary Wurtzel" <marywurtzel at att.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I thought this would be a place for me to report on our first convention.  
> First, I would also be happy to make a donation to help with the cost of the
> relief area.  However, Felix refused to go into the box.  I tried several
> times.  I put him in, which is no small task, and he just jumped back out.
> I had to find grass.  It was hard to pickup  because the grass is so long
> there.  Otherwise, we did a fantastic job.  I attended the NAGDU meetings.
> I just wish there would have been a way to actually socialize with other
> guide dog users.  Maybe next year when we are a pro team we can host a
> party, lol.
> Mary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert stigile
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:06 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> 
> Hello Mike
> IAM wondering if it might be possible to have a button on the registration
> process in preregistration online
> It could be a button that people can check that they want to pay $25 or not
> check if they don't want to but I would be willing to pay 25 if I was coming
> across that on convention registration
> Just my thought
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:28 AM, "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> It seems to me that during the pre registration process there should be a
>> mechanism to pay something like $25 toward the relief area.  It could be
>> mandatory for guide dog users, but I would rather try first a voluntary
>> donation.  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 07:15 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> No, in the registration material for the convention, you would say, "If
> you
>> are bringing a guide dog, you must pay $25; maybe it could be $20 if you
>> pre-registered. You can't count on people to come to NAGDU to pay this
> fee.
>> There are far more dogs than there are people who attend, which is another
>> issue entirely. LOL.
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:55 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think that part of the problem was that a lot of people didn't/don't
>> come to NAGDU meetings, so they could pretend they didn't know there was a
>> relieving fee.  I think it was talked about in convention literature
> before
>> the convention, but it still depended on people finding NAGDU to pay up.
> It
>> was a long time ago, but that's what I think.
>>> With childcare, one brings the child to a certain area, so the fee can be
>> assessed there.  Now I'm picturing a turnstile by the relief area, so a
>> person has to pay to get in!  Which would just make people take their dogs
>> elsewhere.
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I think we need to do it again. I don't think it was $25 though. I was
>> thinking it was $15. No matter. Ed and Toni asked for it as a donation, I
>> think. I am not sure how we would get everyone to live into it, but people
>> have to pay for childcare. No pay, no childcare. If we knew in advance of
>> the convention we were paying it, then we need to work it into our
> budgets.
>>>> 
>>>> CL
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> NAGDU did try charging a $25 fee some time ago, like in the early
> '90's.
>> It only lasted a few years, so I guess something about it wasn't working.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:44 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The collection was taken up and didn't even come close to covering the
>> cost of the relief areas. If the relief areas are $3500 to maintain, we
>> didn't even touch it. I am not sure what we collected, and there was a
>> collection at the exhibit hall as well. I would be surprised if we picked
> up
>> 1/3 of the cost in donations, but I wouldn't swear to that either. A fee
>> would hold us all equally responsible. I would think that some
> arrangements
>> could be made on a case by case basis if such a fee was too much for
>> someone, but it would need to be something that was done privately and
>> without the knowledge of the rest of us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:42 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A collection was made in the meeting.
>>>>>>> Glad nagdu helps with this as well.
>>>>>>> I need to find the meeting for Wednesday, I went to another event
> that
>> interested me.
>>>>>>> Can you send it again?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose
> children
>> come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the dog
>> relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have the dogs
>> or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by charging for it.
> Even
>> though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee for it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for
>> one would be glad to do what I can.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow"
>> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Danielle.  I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief
>> areas.
>>>>>>>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing.  I 
>>>>>>>>>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure adequate 
>>>>>>>>>> relief areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does this type of
>> work do this type of work for us.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Danielle
>> A.
>>>>>>>>>> Creapeau
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. 
>>>>>>>>>> Valla and I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because 
>>>>>>>>>> she got snapped at by not
>>>>>>>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on 
>>>>>>>>>> these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them 
>>>>>>>>>> when they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and 
>>>>>>>>>> tried to come at her. Needless to say, she was way too wound up to
>> go anywhere after that.
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked 
>>>>>>>>>> me, made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll 
>>>>>>>>>> say that this was my first convention so I don't know if some 
>>>>>>>>>> of these things are commonplace at convention or not. I was 
>>>>>>>>>> sort of shocked by the size of the park area for the dogs. It 
>>>>>>>>>> was about the size of a single parking space and from what I 
>>>>>>>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I 
>>>>>>>>>> felt that this was way too small of a space for all those dogs. 
>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets pretty 
>>>>>>>>>> sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in 
>>>>>>>>>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White 
>>>>>>>>>> Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that 
>>>>>>>>>> it costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything 
>>>>>>>>>> that we as a division can be doing to make the area bigger or 
>>>>>>>>>> cleaner? Furthermore, as the week went on, I noticed a lot of 
>>>>>>>>>> accidents near the escalators that were just left behind for 
>>>>>>>>>> someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as well; I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were 
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel
>> staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I feel like
>> that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator when it
> happens,
>> step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>>>>>>>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did 
>>>>>>>>>> stand by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>>>>>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on 
>>>>>>>>>> phones, eating, talking or goofing off while working their dogs 
>>>>>>>>>> too. again, not trying to imply that these things don't happen 
>>>>>>>>>> but it was frustrating when someone else was too busy doing 
>>>>>>>>>> something else while his or her dog distracted on other people or
>> dogs.
>>>>>>>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely 
>>>>>>>>>> inspired me with the bonds they have with their dogs and the 
>>>>>>>>>> way they worked as a team. Valla and I just met in October of 
>>>>>>>>>> 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It was just amazing to
>> see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>>>>>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having 
>>>>>>>>>> a good Tuesday.
>>>>>>> 
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