[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
Cindy Ray
cindyray at gmail.com
Thu Jul 11 01:39:18 UTC 2013
I think that mentor idea is a good one. I'd be glad to assist in it even if I'm not bringing Fisher.
CL
On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:22 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Julie,
> I like your idea of having a teleconference call a couple weeks
> prior to convention to discuss some protocol. One initiative I would like to
> see is a mentoring program for new guide dog users attending convention. As
> a member of the board, please don't let us forget about this next year!
>
> F
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:00 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is a very good discussion. I think there are many things that dog
> handelers could do to make the convention experience easier for them and
> their dogs. I think we should have a conference call next year when it
> comes closer to the convention. During this call a few experienced guide
> dog user conventioners could give tips to people wanting to learn about
> bringing their dogs to convention or people who have brought their dogs but
> still want to gather tips. Just an idea...
>
> It was great to meet many of you at the nagdu meetings, and I am sorry I
> didn't get to meet all of you.
>
> As for the relief areas, I could not say it better than Aleeha. I think we
> should do everything short of requiring a fee. Yes, ACB does that, but as I
> understand it, everyone must pay the fee, not only the guide dog users. I
> think we should strongly encourage people to pay, even suggest an amount,
> and put it on our registration fee, but I think it's wrong to force people
> to pay to bring their dogs.
>
> I am looking forward to the call on Sunday. Talk to many of you then.
>
> On 7/10/13, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK, here's the deal. If we care about our organization and keeping it
>> solvent, or helping to, and if we know that it is a rather large
>> expense to care for those relief areas, we should long to pay a fee.
>> This fee says nothing about the allowance of our dogs' presence. Where
>> you are employed, there are usually not more than ten dogs, and that
>> would be high. Here we are talking 200-400. People who exhibit have to
>> pay for the exhibit hall, and they pay high fees for that. People with
>> kids have to pay for childcare, and there are time limits as to when
>> the kids can be picked up, or rather must be picked up. Canes don't
>> need to be relieved. Our registration is pretty low as conferences go.
>> The one day Rehabilitation Conference put on by NBPCB was $85. That's
>> more registration than we pay for the week, but if you longed to go,
>> you had to pay it. If you enrolled after June 15, it was $100. So if
>> it is unjust for us to care for the relief areas, then what about if
>> they charged everyone in the organization $25 or $30 above what the
>> current registration fee is? Then no one would have to feel he/she was
> being being penalyzed for bringing the dog.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Aleeha Dudley
>> <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I do not agree with the required fee for the relief areas. If you
>>> have a required fee, that would be going against everything We stand
>>> for. Our dogs are supposed to go with us everywhere, without the
>>> hindrance of any extra fees that anyone else would incur on the same
>>> day or at the same time. Those with canes do not have to pay an extra
>>> fee, so, I think it makes sense to ask for donations, but not to
>>> require them. If we start requiring them for the relief areas, are
>>> employers may also start doing the same things so that we can have a
>>> relief area. This does not make sense to me, though I do not mean to
>>> offend anyone by my statements. I say that is the same for us as it
>>> would be for any other organization that we might become a part of,
>>> including our work, or other activities. We should have the same
>>> rights as any other person, and should not have to pay any extra
>>> fees, just so our dogs can come with us. I think requiring fees is
>>> asking for trouble. People will not relieve their dogs in the relief
>>> areas, or they will relieve them, but not clean up after them or do
>>> any number of other things that could damage the hotel property.
>>> Also, this could greatly affect people's perceptions of the Nfb's view on
> guidedogs, a viewwhich we are just now starting to change among the general
> public.
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Aleeha Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Margo, I think if we pay a fee that is a required one, and if we
>>>> don't have the folks to adequately care for it, we need to hire some
> company.
>>>> It is a huge issue to have that material hauled from Maryland. I
>>>> wonder why they don't do it that way anyway? I really hadn't thought
>>>> much of this.
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 12:06 PM, "Margo and Arrow"
>>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think it should be a required charge. Also, you know, we can
>>>>> learn from other organizations and I hope we don't get into the
>>>>> thing of not doing something because A C B or some other
>>>>> organization does it. I still would like to see a company that
>>>>> does this type of work do the work instead of the National Center.
>>>>>
>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>>> Hingson
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:36 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>
>>>>> The NFB does pay for the relief area. As I said, I think a
>>>>> voluntary fee option on the pre registration form and an option for
>>>>> people who register at the convention would be good. What we need
>>>>> to do is to make this whole thing more visible to all members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to copy or anything, but the ACB has this option on its
>>>>> registration forms. It does work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will not comment much on making this a requirement except to say
>>>>> that at the convention people charge for all kinds of things. It
>>>>> is reasonable to consider asking guide dog users to help defray the
>>>>> relief area costs.
>>>>> Also,
>>>>> non guide dog users may wish to help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
>>>>> Rogers
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 08:20 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion I hear what
>>>>> you are saying Julie, but would the National Convention pay for it
>>>>> out of its funds?
>>>>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:01 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't requiring guide dog users to pay a fee for a service or
>>>>> participating in an event against our beliefs as an organization?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always felt that NAGDU was opposed to charging guide dog
>>>>> users fees based on their choice to use a guide dog. I don't know
>>>>> about the legality of doing this in this particular situation, but
>>>>> if the hotel did it, there would be a giant fuss about it. If we
>>>>> wouldn't put up with it from the hotel, why would we impose it on
>>>>> ourselves? I'm not trying to start anything, but it seems like a
>>>>> contradiction to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> --
> Julie McG
> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation
> of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of
> Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For
> God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
> believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
> John 3:16
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