[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Program sat NAGDU Meeting

rhonda cruz rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Thu Jul 11 04:42:15 UTC 2013 

 hello may, keeps me safe every time we travel together,
 she has done many traffic  checks,
 and we work hard to.
 i feel pilot did a good job at mamatching us.

On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Howard J. Levine wrote:

> I agree if a xchool is going to cut back on traffic checks what else are
> they cutting back on. You want to know how your guide dog is going ot react
> to problem and keep you safe.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
> Association of Guide Dog Users
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 3:49 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Program
> sat NAGDU Meeting
> 
> Rebecca.
> 	This may be an issue of not knowing rather than not caring. I
> believe traffic checks are an important part of guide dog work and, to the
> best of my knowledge, Pilot is the only guide dog training program that does
> not include them in their training! If Pilot consumers knew how important
> they were and that everyone else gets what they do not, perhaps they would
> speak up. Then again, they may be met with the same sort of irrational
> excuses other training programs offer us and we are expected to accept
> without question! For instance, Pilot may assert that traffic checks are
> unnecessary and their consumers are expected to accept this without
> question. If they are not important, why does every other program put such a
> major emphasis on them? 
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 12:03 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Program
> sat NAGDU Meeting
> 
> Steve,
> The Pilot grads don't seem to mind this though. So why would they speak up?
> To them, it isn't a problem. To me, it's a deal breaker. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:07 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Program
> sat NAGDU Meeting
> 
> Deanna, you make an excellent point.  Having a controlled traffic check can
> help the student get prepared for what is inevitable.  Whether it is a gas
> powered car, quiet car, bicycle, skateboard; we can begin to learn and feel
> how our dogs react to those situations.  Sometimes they are slight, and
> sometimes, very apparent checks as we all know.  What would be ideal is for
> the Pilot grads to step up and simply make this request.  The more they hear
> from, the more likely they might listen, and a potential change could be
> made. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:43 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
> 
> I am sorry, but I would rather have a trained professional driving a car and
> testing my dog and I, than I would to have a random stranger who is not
> paying attention come close to, or actually hitting us. Drivers nowadays are
> so careless and they are always on their cell phones, texting, putting on
> makeup, and so forth. They just do not pay attention to pedestrians.
> I strongly believe that planned traffic checks are an essential part of
> guide dog training.
> Deanna and Pascal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
> 
> Dear Chantel,
> 
> That is totally ridiculous; I wouldn't want a dog who freaked out with
> artificial traffic checks.
> Darla & Handsome Huck
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel Cuddemi
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
> 
> Guys,
> 
> Students and dogs were freaked out by the artificial traffic checks set up
> by Pilot. I wasn't aware that the dogs go through artificial traffic checks
> before we got them.
> 
> On 7/2/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>> That I didn't know! I just know that between Holly and I we don't have 
>> any probblems! She'll stop whebn cars are coming and go around those 
>> that park in the middle of the street.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training 
>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Ava,
>>> 
>>> Pilot dogs does traffic checks while the dogs are in their training 
>>> period
>>> 
>>> with the trainers, before they get to you.
>>> 
>>> You're right though, there are plenty of opportunities for the dog to 
>>> show
>>> 
>>> you it'll stop for traffic during your training itself.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 AM, avapup.7 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks. 
>>>> As I am considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm 
>>>> wondering
>>>> 
>>>> if it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are 
>>>> trained
>>>> 
>>>> to stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience? 
>>>> But is it that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for 
>>>> their students where they have a car driven by a staff member to 
>>>> test them? I'd
>>>> 
>>>> think that in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic 
>>>> checks
>>>> 
>>>> without setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus 
>>>> traffic! Do
>>>> 
>>>> I have it right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!
>>>> 
>>>> Ava and Cocoa
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> the staff at pilot are good.
>>>>> maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there 
>>>>> minds, about going to a nfb convention, but i will never know, if i 
>>>>> just ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before 
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> presentation.
>>>>>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed 
>>>>>> her down and used it as a learning opportunity.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha 
>>>>>> Drenth
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> marion,
>>>>>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>>>>>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,, 
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those 
>>>>>> times
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can 
>>>>>> not participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if 
>>>>>> they would. I do feel like that is a cop-out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>>>> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an 
>>>>>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot 
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his 
>>>>>>> trainers
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he 
>>>>>>> said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said 
>>>>>>> Pilot did not do
>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised 
>>>>>>> and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to 
>>>>>>> someone else that
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of 
>>>>>>> the importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I 
>>>>>>> felt it
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks 
>>>>>>> while assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members 
>>>>>>> can be very assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult 
>>>>>>> another nor treat anyone with disrespect or in an undignified 
>>>>>>> manner. Pilot has still not chosen to attend our conventions, 
>>>>>>> though!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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