[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Program sat NAGDU Meeting

Thu Jul 11 05:03:29 UTC 2013

But, could it be that they don't know or can't tell the difference
because they have never had any other experience? Are there any other
grads who have gone to Pilot after another program on hear? I will say
that I've been on a few non-school specific lists and as stated
previously they all seem happy with there training. this is very
interesting and I don't really have much info nor have I seen any
working teams from there so I'd like to hear more about Pilot Dogs.
that's what I've always heard though that they didn't do planned
traffic checks. Kind of worrisome!

Danielle

On 7/10/13, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>  hello may, keeps me safe every time we travel together,
>  she has done many traffic  checks,
>  and we work hard to.
>  i feel pilot did a good job at mamatching us.
>
> On Jul 8, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Howard J. Levine wrote:
>
>> I agree if a xchool is going to cut back on traffic checks what else are
>> they cutting back on. You want to know how your guide dog is going ot
>> react
>> to problem and keep you safe.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 3:49 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>> Program
>> sat NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> Rebecca.
>> 	This may be an issue of not knowing rather than not caring. I
>> believe traffic checks are an important part of guide dog work and, to
>> the
>> best of my knowledge, Pilot is the only guide dog training program that
>> does
>> not include them in their training! If Pilot consumers knew how important
>> they were and that everyone else gets what they do not, perhaps they
>> would
>> speak up. Then again, they may be met with the same sort of irrational
>> excuses other training programs offer us and we are expected to accept
>> without question! For instance, Pilot may assert that traffic checks are
>> unnecessary and their consumers are expected to accept this without
>> question. If they are not important, why does every other program put such
>> a
>> major emphasis on them?
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 12:03 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>> Program
>> sat NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> Steve,
>> The Pilot grads don't seem to mind this though. So why would they speak
>> up?
>> To them, it isn't a problem. To me, it's a deal breaker.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:07 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>> Program
>> sat NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> Deanna, you make an excellent point.  Having a controlled traffic check
>> can
>> help the student get prepared for what is inevitable.  Whether it is a
>> gas
>> powered car, quiet car, bicycle, skateboard; we can begin to learn and
>> feel
>> how our dogs react to those situations.  Sometimes they are slight, and
>> sometimes, very apparent checks as we all know.  What would be ideal is
>> for
>> the Pilot grads to step up and simply make this request.  The more they
>> hear
>> from, the more likely they might listen, and a potential change could be
>> made.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Lewis
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:43 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> I am sorry, but I would rather have a trained professional driving a car
>> and
>> testing my dog and I, than I would to have a random stranger who is not
>> paying attention come close to, or actually hitting us. Drivers nowadays
>> are
>> so careless and they are always on their cell phones, texting, putting on
>> makeup, and so forth. They just do not pay attention to pedestrians.
>> I strongly believe that planned traffic checks are an essential part of
>> guide dog training.
>> Deanna and Pascal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:30 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> Dear Chantel,
>>
>> That is totally ridiculous; I wouldn't want a dog who freaked out with
>> artificial traffic checks.
>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel
>> Cuddemi
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:39 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Students and dogs were freaked out by the artificial traffic checks set
>> up
>> by Pilot. I wasn't aware that the dogs go through artificial traffic
>> checks
>> before we got them.
>>
>> On 7/2/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> That I didn't know! I just know that between Holly and I we don't have
>>> any probblems! She'll stop whebn cars are coming and go around those
>>> that park in the middle of the street.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Ava,
>>>>
>>>> Pilot dogs does traffic checks while the dogs are in their training
>>>> period
>>>>
>>>> with the trainers, before they get to you.
>>>>
>>>> You're right though, there are plenty of opportunities for the dog to
>>>> show
>>>>
>>>> you it'll stop for traffic during your training itself.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 AM, avapup.7 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks.
>>>>> As I am considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm
>>>>> wondering
>>>>>
>>>>> if it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are
>>>>> trained
>>>>>
>>>>> to stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience?
>>>>> But is it that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for
>>>>> their students where they have a car driven by a staff member to
>>>>> test them? I'd
>>>>>
>>>>> think that in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic
>>>>> checks
>>>>>
>>>>> without setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus
>>>>> traffic! Do
>>>>>
>>>>> I have it right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ava and Cocoa
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the staff at pilot are good.
>>>>>> maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there
>>>>>> minds, about going to a nfb convention, but i will never know, if i
>>>>>> just ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before
>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> presentation.
>>>>>>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed
>>>>>>> her down and used it as a learning opportunity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>>>> Drenth
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> marion,
>>>>>>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>>>>>>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,,
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those
>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can
>>>>>>> not participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if
>>>>>>> they would. I do feel like that is a cop-out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>>>>> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>>>>>>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his
>>>>>>>> trainers
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he
>>>>>>>> said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said
>>>>>>>> Pilot did not do
>>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised
>>>>>>>> and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to
>>>>>>>> someone else that
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of
>>>>>>>> the importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I
>>>>>>>> felt it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks
>>>>>>>> while assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members
>>>>>>>> can be very assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult
>>>>>>>> another nor treat anyone with disrespect or in an undignified
>>>>>>>> manner. Pilot has still not chosen to attend our conventions,
>>>>>>>> though!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----
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