[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Thu Jul 11 18:15:07 UTC 2013 

Parents must pay if they take their children to childcare, and if that is not so, then I don't know how they do get around it. 

Cindy

On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:12 PM, "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like this suggestion. 
> Not all parents pay for childcare. Getting dog users to pay to use the
> relief area strikes me as imposing a cost that non dog users don't
> encounter. That doesn't set well with me. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:32 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> 
> Bob suggested that if everyone was charged an additional $2 or $3 to help
> defray the cost of the relief areas, it wouldn't be unlike all of us paying
> school taxes even if we don't have kids in school.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 3:47 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I agree. I think if we could work with the National office and make 
>> the fee optional as part of the national registration would be a good 
>> start. Also, I agree with Danielle concerning putting a sub- committee 
>> who would work on ideas for making the relief areas better and more
> accessible. JMT.
>> Tina and the girls    
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of robert 
>> stigile
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users; 
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I agree, it should be a choice, and it should be on the registration form.
>> I think if it is there for people to select if they choose, we will 
>> probably have a lot of people selecting it.
>> Just my two cents!
>> 
>> 
>> Robert Stigile
>> phone: 818-381-9568
>> e-mail: rstigile at gmail.com
>> Skype: robertstigile1
>> Twitter: rstigile
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:59:27 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I do not agree with the required fee for the relief areas.  If you 
>> have a required fee, that would be going against everything We stand 
>> for.  Our dogs are supposed to go with us everywhere, without the 
>> hindrance of any extra fees that  anyone else would incur on the same day
> or at the same time.
>> Those with canes do not have to pay an extra fee, so, I think it makes 
>> sense to ask for donations, but not to require them.  If we start 
>> requiring them for the relief areas, are employers  may also start 
>> doing the same things so that we can have a relief area.  This does 
>> not make sense to me, though I do not mean to offend anyone by my 
>> statements.  I say that is the same for us as it would be for any 
>> other organization that we might become a part of, including our work, 
>> or other activities.  We should have the same rights as any other 
>> person, and should not have to pay any extra fees, just so our dogs can
> come with us.  I think requiring fees is asking for trouble.
>> People will not relieve their dogs in the relief areas, or they will 
>> relieve them, but not clean up after them  or do any number of other 
>> things that could damage the hotel property.
>> Also, this could greatly affect people's perceptions of the Nfb's view 
>> on guidedogs, a viewwhich we are just now starting to change among the 
>> general public.  Just my thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> Aleeha Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Margo, I think if we pay a fee that is a required one, and if we don't 
>> have the folks to adequately care for it, we need to hire some 
>> company.  It is a huge issue to have that material hauled from 
>> Maryland.  I wonder why they don't do it that way anyway? I really hadn't
> thought much of this.
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 12:06 PM, "Margo and Arrow" 
>> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it should be a required charge.  Also, you know, we can learn 
>> from other organizations and I hope we don't get into the thing of not 
>> doing something because A C B or some other organization does it.  I 
>> still would like to see a company that does this type of work do the 
>> work instead of the National Center.
>> 
>> Margo and Arrow
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
>> Hingson
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:36 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> The NFB does pay for the relief area.  As I said, I think a voluntary 
>> fee option on the pre registration form and an option for people who 
>> register at the convention would be good.  What we need to do is to 
>> make this whole thing more visible to all members.
>> 
>> Not to copy or anything, but the ACB has this option on its 
>> registration forms.  It does work.
>> 
>> I will not comment much on making this a requirement except to say 
>> that at the convention people charge for all kinds of things.  It is 
>> reasonable to consider asking guide dog users to help defray the 
>> relief area costs.  Also, non guide dog users may wish to help.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Hingson
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla 
>> Rogers
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 08:20 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion I hear what you 
>> are saying Julie, but would the National Convention pay for it out of 
>> its funds?
>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:01 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> Isn't requiring guide dog users to pay a fee for a service or 
>> participating in an event against our beliefs as an organization?
>> 
>> I've always felt that NAGDU  was opposed to charging guide dog users 
>> fees based on their choice to use a guide dog.  I don't know about the 
>> legality of doing this in this particular situation, but if the hotel 
>> did it, there would be a giant fuss about it.  If we wouldn't put up 
>> with it from the hotel, why would we impose it on ourselves?  I'm not 
>> trying to start anything, but it seems like a contradiction to me.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
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