[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Star Gazer pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Thu Jul 11 18:31:46 UTC 2013 

You are assuming that parents are using the type of childcare that you pay
for. Some don't. Others simply don't pay. Of course their kids get kicked
out of the center, but the parents still aren't paying. Some don't work so
don't need childcare. Some work schedules so that one parent is always home.

I'm sure these same scenarios would come up with the relief area. The honest
people would pay. Other honest people would take their dog to relieve
someplace else. Some people wouldn't pay. Some might not bring their dogs.
Some might get creative and use relief harnesses or park time pads. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:15 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Parents must pay if they take their children to childcare, and if that is
not so, then I don't know how they do get around it. 

Cindy

On Jul 11, 2013, at 1:12 PM, "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like this suggestion. 
> Not all parents pay for childcare. Getting dog users to pay to use the 
> relief area strikes me as imposing a cost that non dog users don't 
> encounter. That doesn't set well with me.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:32 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> 
> Bob suggested that if everyone was charged an additional $2 or $3 to 
> help defray the cost of the relief areas, it wouldn't be unlike all of 
> us paying school taxes even if we don't have kids in school.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 3:47 PM, "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I agree. I think if we could work with the National office and make 
>> the fee optional as part of the national registration would be a good 
>> start. Also, I agree with Danielle concerning putting a sub- 
>> committee who would work on ideas for making the relief areas better 
>> and more
> accessible. JMT.
>> Tina and the girls    
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of robert 
>> stigile
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users; 
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I agree, it should be a choice, and it should be on the registration
form.
>> I think if it is there for people to select if they choose, we will 
>> probably have a lot of people selecting it.
>> Just my two cents!
>> 
>> 
>> Robert Stigile
>> phone: 818-381-9568
>> e-mail: rstigile at gmail.com
>> Skype: robertstigile1
>> Twitter: rstigile
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:59:27 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I do not agree with the required fee for the relief areas.  If you 
>> have a required fee, that would be going against everything We stand 
>> for.  Our dogs are supposed to go with us everywhere, without the 
>> hindrance of any extra fees that  anyone else would incur on the same 
>> day
> or at the same time.
>> Those with canes do not have to pay an extra fee, so, I think it 
>> makes sense to ask for donations, but not to require them.  If we 
>> start requiring them for the relief areas, are employers  may also 
>> start doing the same things so that we can have a relief area.  This 
>> does not make sense to me, though I do not mean to offend anyone by 
>> my statements.  I say that is the same for us as it would be for any 
>> other organization that we might become a part of, including our 
>> work, or other activities.  We should have the same rights as any 
>> other person, and should not have to pay any extra fees, just so our 
>> dogs can
> come with us.  I think requiring fees is asking for trouble.
>> People will not relieve their dogs in the relief areas, or they will 
>> relieve them, but not clean up after them  or do any number of other 
>> things that could damage the hotel property.
>> Also, this could greatly affect people's perceptions of the Nfb's 
>> view on guidedogs, a viewwhich we are just now starting to change 
>> among the general public.  Just my thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> Aleeha Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Margo, I think if we pay a fee that is a required one, and if we 
>> don't have the folks to adequately care for it, we need to hire some 
>> company.  It is a huge issue to have that material hauled from 
>> Maryland.  I wonder why they don't do it that way anyway? I really 
>> hadn't
> thought much of this.
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 12:06 PM, "Margo and Arrow" 
>> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it should be a required charge.  Also, you know, we can learn 
>> from other organizations and I hope we don't get into the thing of 
>> not doing something because A C B or some other organization does it.  
>> I still would like to see a company that does this type of work do 
>> the work instead of the National Center.
>> 
>> Margo and Arrow
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
>> Hingson
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:36 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> The NFB does pay for the relief area.  As I said, I think a voluntary 
>> fee option on the pre registration form and an option for people who 
>> register at the convention would be good.  What we need to do is to 
>> make this whole thing more visible to all members.
>> 
>> Not to copy or anything, but the ACB has this option on its 
>> registration forms.  It does work.
>> 
>> I will not comment much on making this a requirement except to say 
>> that at the convention people charge for all kinds of things.  It is 
>> reasonable to consider asking guide dog users to help defray the 
>> relief area costs.  Also, non guide dog users may wish to help.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Hingson
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla 
>> Rogers
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 08:20 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion I hear what you 
>> are saying Julie, but would the National Convention pay for it out of 
>> its funds?
>> Darla & Handsome Huck
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:01 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> Isn't requiring guide dog users to pay a fee for a service or 
>> participating in an event against our beliefs as an organization?
>> 
>> I've always felt that NAGDU  was opposed to charging guide dog users 
>> fees based on their choice to use a guide dog.  I don't know about 
>> the legality of doing this in this particular situation, but if the 
>> hotel did it, there would be a giant fuss about it.  If we wouldn't 
>> put up with it from the hotel, why would we impose it on ourselves?  
>> I'm not trying to start anything, but it seems like a contradiction to
me.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
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