[nagdu] More on Advance Notification

Thu Jul 25 12:05:46 UTC 2013

Larry,
	I am of the opinion that advance notification that one will be
accompanied by a service dog unnecessarily opens the door to discrimination.
The presence of the service dog is irrelevant; one cannot be denied a
benefit or be provided with an unequal or separate benefit because of the
presence of a service dog. The assertion that this is being done so the
company can send someone who doesn't mind a service dog in their cab is like
saying one should notify the company that they are African American so they
can send someone who doesn't mind black people in their vehicle. 
	As long as service dog users continue to give advance notification
of the presence of their dog and present identification, those of us who
refuse to do so will continue to be questioned about why we did not when the
other did! If we are to make an impact on discriminatory practices, we need
to demand that the law be followed. It may be more convenient to one person
but it creates a major inconvenience for the next one!

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:46 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions

Nicole, I do have Holly on file with our taxi company. We also have a shared
rid program involving taxis here. When I call in, I do say I have a dog so
that they can send a driver who doesn't mind. If they don't, which they have
on a couple of occassions, I go anyway and tell the driver to take up whith
there dispatch. She is on the record, most drivers know me and dispatch has
plenty of information so that if a driver doesn't want the order, he doesn't
have to bid on it! Also, it helps that I live about one hundred yards or so
from the company! But, I think its illegal to refuse. I let my company know
because I know half the drivers and some of the management and usually, they
send drivers with no issues about dogs. Think I've only had 2. One was on a
shared ride and the dispatch overbooked him so I had to wait for another. 
The other took me and complained all the way! I asked him if he saw the note
about service animal in the order and he said that yes, he did. He didn't
know it would be a dog! He thaught it might be a bird or snake or something!

Well, I thaught that was silly so I just listened to him complain! No law
against that!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions

> Okay, so, just to clarify, the answer to my third question about sending
> another driver is that that is not legal?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
> Association of Guide Dog Users
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:55 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>
> Dear All,
> Not to be contrary but in an effort to be accurate, there is nothing
> that prevents any entity from keeping a record that one has a service dog.
> What is not legal is to deny a benefit or offer an unequal or separate
> benefit because of the presence of the service dog. If this occurs, I 
> would
> encourage you get in touch with the National Association of Guide dog 
> Users
> (NAGDU) at 888-NAGDU 411 (888-624-3841) AND WE WILL HELP YOU file a
> complaint with every enforcement agency at your disposal, as each offer
> specific remedies and filing a complaint with one does not exclude filing
> with another. For instance, if such a thing were to occur in Tampa, 
> Florida
> where I live, I would file a complaint with either the Tampa Police
> Department or the Hillsborough County Sherrif's Office - depending on 
> where
> the incident occurred - since Florida provides criminal remedies for such
> violations, the county's Public Transportation Comission that licenses cab
> drivers and companies, the city or county civil rights office, the State 
> of
> Florida Attorney General's Office of Civil Rights, and the United States
> Department of Justice. I would also contact the media to let them know 
> about
> the incident as a way of educating the general public.
> I will share with you that such a thing will likely not occur in
> Hillsborough County because these things have already been done. Cab
> companies are aware of the penalties they would face because they have 
> faced
> them. As the result, they are doing a good job educating their drivers and
> taking swift action when vilations occur!
>
> Fraternally yours,
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
> National Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789 (Office)
> 888-NAGDU411 (Hotline
> President at nagdu.org
> www.nagdu.org
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J. 
> Levine
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:21 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>
> no thay must take you and thay can't keep a record of the fact that you 
> have
> a guide dog. The ADA covers this and you can find a coppy of the law on
> internet. Do not let them get away with this crap.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
> Torcolini
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:59 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>
> Forgot one.
> 4. Is it legal for a taxi company to record that a specific passenger has 
> a
> service dog?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
> Torcolini
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:54 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>
> I have a few questions about guide dogs in taxis.
> 1. Which law gives the rules on this?
> 2. Where can I find a copy of this law, and, if it is different for
> California, the version relevant to California?
> 3. Is it legal for a taxi driver to not take a passenger with a guide dog 
> if
> the driver notifies the taxi company and the company sends another taxi?
>
> Thanks,
> Nicole
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