[nagdu] More on Advance Notification

Thu Jul 25 13:07:01 UTC 2013

agreed. I don't make prior itificaion a common practice because i hink 
it has caused me more difficultythan it is worth. Also, I knowthe law 
and am comfortable using it.
On 7/25/2013 6:05 AM, National Association of Guide Dog Users wrote:
> Larry,
> 	I am of the opinion that advance notification that one will be
> accompanied by a service dog unnecessarily opens the door to discrimination.
> The presence of the service dog is irrelevant; one cannot be denied a
> benefit or be provided with an unequal or separate benefit because of the
> presence of a service dog. The assertion that this is being done so the
> company can send someone who doesn't mind a service dog in their cab is like
> saying one should notify the company that they are African American so they
> can send someone who doesn't mind black people in their vehicle.
> 	As long as service dog users continue to give advance notification
> of the presence of their dog and present identification, those of us who
> refuse to do so will continue to be questioned about why we did not when the
> other did! If we are to make an impact on discriminatory practices, we need
> to demand that the law be followed. It may be more convenient to one person
> but it creates a major inconvenience for the next one!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:46 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>
> Nicole, I do have Holly on file with our taxi company. We also have a shared
> rid program involving taxis here. When I call in, I do say I have a dog so
> that they can send a driver who doesn't mind. If they don't, which they have
> on a couple of occassions, I go anyway and tell the driver to take up whith
> there dispatch. She is on the record, most drivers know me and dispatch has
> plenty of information so that if a driver doesn't want the order, he doesn't
> have to bid on it! Also, it helps that I live about one hundred yards or so
> from the company! But, I think its illegal to refuse. I let my company know
> because I know half the drivers and some of the management and usually, they
> send drivers with no issues about dogs. Think I've only had 2. One was on a
> shared ride and the dispatch overbooked him so I had to wait for another.
> The other took me and complained all the way! I asked him if he saw the note
> about service animal in the order and he said that yes, he did. He didn't
> know it would be a dog! He thaught it might be a bird or snake or something!
>
> Well, I thaught that was silly so I just listened to him complain! No law
> against that!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>
>
>> Okay, so, just to clarify, the answer to my third question about sending
>> another driver is that that is not legal?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:55 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>>
>> Dear All,
>> Not to be contrary but in an effort to be accurate, there is nothing
>> that prevents any entity from keeping a record that one has a service dog.
>> What is not legal is to deny a benefit or offer an unequal or separate
>> benefit because of the presence of the service dog. If this occurs, I
>> would
>> encourage you get in touch with the National Association of Guide dog
>> Users
>> (NAGDU) at 888-NAGDU 411 (888-624-3841) AND WE WILL HELP YOU file a
>> complaint with every enforcement agency at your disposal, as each offer
>> specific remedies and filing a complaint with one does not exclude filing
>> with another. For instance, if such a thing were to occur in Tampa,
>> Florida
>> where I live, I would file a complaint with either the Tampa Police
>> Department or the Hillsborough County Sherrif's Office - depending on
>> where
>> the incident occurred - since Florida provides criminal remedies for such
>> violations, the county's Public Transportation Comission that licenses cab
>> drivers and companies, the city or county civil rights office, the State
>> of
>> Florida Attorney General's Office of Civil Rights, and the United States
>> Department of Justice. I would also contact the media to let them know
>> about
>> the incident as a way of educating the general public.
>> I will share with you that such a thing will likely not occur in
>> Hillsborough County because these things have already been done. Cab
>> companies are aware of the penalties they would face because they have
>> faced
>> them. As the result, they are doing a good job educating their drivers and
>> taking swift action when vilations occur!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>>
>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> (813) 626-2789 (Office)
>> 888-NAGDU411 (Hotline
>> President at nagdu.org
>> www.nagdu.org
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J.
>> Levine
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:21 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>>
>> no thay must take you and thay can't keep a record of the fact that you
>> have
>> a guide dog. The ADA covers this and you can find a coppy of the law on
>> internet. Do not let them get away with this crap.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>> Torcolini
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:59 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>>
>> Forgot one.
>> 4. Is it legal for a taxi company to record that a specific passenger has
>> a
>> service dog?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>> Torcolini
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 5:54 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] Taxi Questions
>>
>> I have a few questions about guide dogs in taxis.
>> 1. Which law gives the rules on this?
>> 2. Where can I find a copy of this law, and, if it is different for
>> California, the version relevant to California?
>> 3. Is it legal for a taxi driver to not take a passenger with a guide dog
>> if
>> the driver notifies the taxi company and the company sends another taxi?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nicole
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