[nagdu] close call

rhonda cruz rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Sun Jul 28 15:48:46 UTC 2013 

 hello i think we  should do what is best for  our dogs, and our selves,
 
On Jul 27, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Darla Rogers wrote:

> Is that like the blind and sighted "police" who call our schools whenever
> they think they know best?
> Darla & Huck
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:45 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Dog's change over time, just like people do.  That dog could have been the
> model citizen of guide dogs at graduation.  There's no way to predict the
> future.
> 
> Dog attacks from random dogs on the street are a huge, huge contributor to a
> change in personality towards other dogs.  You could start with a lovely,
> well behaved and sociable dog.  Then have three or four nasty encounters
> with ill behaved beasts and now your lovely guide learns to be proactive. 
> No more standing around to see if other dogs are nice or safe.  Now she'll
> make it well known that nobody is going to mess with her.
> 
> How would the school know something like this?  How would they be able to
> predict it?  How could they prevent it?  How could they know better?
> 
> Also why shouldn't the handler know better and do the right thing?
> 
> We talk a lot here about wanting ownership, wanting to be treated like
> responsible adults, wanting equal treatment and the like.  In my opinion
> that means we have to step up to the plate and start acting responsibly. 
> That means all the time, even when it's unpleasant or hard.  I would really
> like to see a shift in thinking to viewing the guide dog schools as a
> resource, a place where people can go for support, ideas, or help with a
> particular working situation. We have to stop relying on them to be the dog
> police.
> 
> When you stop being responsible, you give up a piece of your independence. 
> Letting others make decisions for you is letting them have power over you. 
> Being an adult means you have to be responsible for your actions and those
> of your dog, all the time, every day, even when it's embarrassing or hard or
> heart wrenching.  Kids have the benefit of adults to take care of them, to
> take care of the hard decisions and to protect them.  Adults do not.  We
> have to start acting like adults if we want to be treated like adults.
> 
> JMO
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Howard J. Levine
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:19 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Both are the handler and the school, but school should no better and do the
> right thing and dog should had never made through the program.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Just out of curiosity, why should it be the school that removes the dog from
> being a guide?  I'm wondering why the handler shouldn't be the one
> responsible?
> 
> Julie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard J. Levine
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> That is not a guide dog and any guide dog would bite person that school must
> take that dog out of service atwonce.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:34 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Hello Nicole and all- Any dog can become aggressive if not trained and or
> handled properly. In the case of the pit bull, they have been mistreated and
> mishandled by unskrupleless   handlers who have use the breed  for monetary
> gain (dog fights). Which is unacceptable  and abusive. Also, there have been
> a ccounts of other breeds such as Labradors, golden retrievers who have
> attacked for no reason. When I was at convention there were several
> incidences of a dog either attacking another dog and or biting a person. One
> incident took place in the lobby of the hotel, where the handler did not
> have hold of the leach and another dog handler was passing by and the dog
> who was lying down while the handler was talking got up and lunged at the
> other dog while barking. Another incident was when I was coming out of an
> elevator and another dog attacked my dog and she had to defend herself.
> However, the worst incident took place when a woman was checking in to her
> room and she did not have her dog properly secured and as a young woman was
> passing by, the dog jumped over the luggage  and preceded to bite the young
> woman twice as well as bite another dog. I think we really need to be
> careful not to make assumptions and stereotypes, because all it does is
> cause prejudice and misunderstandings.
> Tina and the girls
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Some pit bulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
> 
> For the reasons stated at this website:
> http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php.
> 
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford a
> traditional leash.
> 
> I am not trying to stereotype, but it is probably more likely that someone
> who is homeless has a pit-bull for protection than for a pet. Also, from
> what I read on the above website, it sounds like the rope leash would not
> have done much good had the pit bulls decided to try to run away from their
> owners.
> 
> Maybe what needs to happen is breed specific legislation, but those who have
> pit bulls who are well trained can somehow get them exempt.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:32 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
> 
> Some pitbulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
> 
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford a
> traditional leash.
> 
> It sounds like there was a fence between you guys, regardless what happened.
> 
> I'm glad you are okay.
> 
> Meghan
> On 7/23/2013 4:16 AM, Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire wrote:
>> hi, all,
>> Sub says it all.
>> A couple of hours ago while I was parking Odie in the north yard, five
> people started walking past us.
>> Two individuals happened to have pit bulls, a breed which is banned in
>> the
> city and county of Denver.
>> Although the dogs were leashed, it wasn't a proper one as my friend
>> Dolly
> described that it was more of a rope type leash.
>> Luckily, no one was hurt, but I found it disturbing that those
>> individuals
> knowing that the pit bull breed is banned would sneak them into the county.
>> The group was obviously homeless or just street individuals.
>> Dolly told me that as soon as she saw the pit bulls, she immediately
>> went
> back up the stairs in the lobby.
>> My partner Odie did something which I didn't expect.
>> He knew those dogs weren't nice, so figured for mine and his safety,
>> he
> pulled me over to the other side of the yard.
>> During the incident, one of our residents happened to be outside on
>> the
> sidewalk with her walker and her small chihuhua, Baby.
>> She was very lucky that our building security guard as out there.
>> Although I did notify Denver police about the illegal dogs, I'll still
> have to contact Animal Control, giving that this was the second time those
> two dogs were walked by our apartment complex.
>> Dolly told me she saw them yesterday during lunch hour as well.
>> Am glad the iron fence was in between the banned pit bulls, Odie and I.
>> Dolly told me they were smaller than Odie was, but she was concerned
>> for
> her dog, Easter's safety.
>> She did mention that one of her dogs was a pit bull, but properly
>> trained
> to be a well-mannered four-legged furry kid.
>> I just took Odie out a few minutes ago, and we definitely took the
>> garage
> to the south stairwell on up the stairs and out into the south yard instead.
>> I wasn't chancing going out to the north yard, given that there's no
> security guards right now.
>> God was watching over Odie and I along with Dale.
>> bibi and son Odie
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