[nagdu] Guide dog school that offers guide dogs to childrenbetween the ages of 11 & 17 years old.

Sarah coastergirl92 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 2 20:15:59 UTC 2013


What were the handler's action? How was he/she treating the dog?

Sarah and Wizard

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:10:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dog school that offers guide dogs to 
childrenbetween the ages of 11 & 17 years old.

Hi there,
I received my first guide dog at the age of 20.

In response to this topic I have to say that I have heard nothing 
but
negative from this organization.  There was a student who attends 
the
same University as myself and people were telling me how the 
handeler
was treating the dog, and at one point I was told that that was 
the way
the dog was supposed to be treated, and I disagree.

The handeler eventually had the dog taken from themself.

Ashley

  On 6/2/2013 12:56 PM, Rebecca Sabo wrote:
 Hi all,
 I got my first guide dog when I was 18.  I thought I was ready 
for a guide dog at that time.  I retired the dog when I was at 
the Colorado center for the blind in Colorado.  I waited a couple 
of years to get another dog.  I am on my fourth dog.  I do not no 
of anyone who got a dog at a young age.  You have to be ready to 
take care of a guide dog .  It is like having a child.
 BeckySabo
 On Jun 1, 2013, at 8:39 PM, rhonda cruz 
<rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:

 hi i got my dog when i was 22.  years old.  and it worked out 
good.  i  have never seen a younger person get a dog.  from a 
program.  i only have older friends.  that have them.  but i 
think it is up to the person.
 it is like taking care of a kid.

 On May 31, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Nicole Torcolini wrote:

 First, let me say that I know someone who received a dog at a 
young  age (I
 cannot remember the exact age) from a Canadian organization, 
probably the
 one mentioned in this article.  I cannot remember the whole 
story, but I
 think that, eventually, there was some sort of problem with the 
dog, but it
 was the dog, and not the person.  So, although I agree that the 
cases where
 getting a guide dog at a young age may be few, they do exist.

 In general I think that it could probably be said that, as you 
lower the
 age, the number of cases were getting a guide dog works out well 
gets lower
 and lower.  I agree that eleven is too low, but I also think 
that sixteen is
 also a little to high.  I think that people should at least be 
able to be
 evaluated for a guide dog around thirteen or fourteen.  
Sometimes, there can
 be more things that need to be worked out before a person can 
get a dog than
 the person thought, and having a year or two to work those out 
would be
 nice.

 I agree that having a dog around other people, especially kids, 
might be
 hard for a child.  Most children are still in elementary school 
at age
 eleven, and elementary schools usually have at least first 
graders if not
 kindergarteners.

 The whole thing about people talking about only the dog I think 
is not
 always a problem.  JMHO, if someone wants to talk just about my 
dog and
 nothing else, then I don't want to talk to them.  I have met 
very few people
 who insisted on talking about nothing but the dog, and, for most 
of those
 people, I have gotten it through to them that the dog is not the 
main
 concern at the moment and that there are other things that need 
to be done.
 Even for those people who start by talking about the dog, they 
do not seem
 to mind when I change the subject; they sometimes change it 
themselves.
 Would this be the same for a child? I really cannot say.  I 
think that
 younger children may want to stick more to the topic of dogs, 
but I think
 that teenagers would not so much.

 I definitely agree that good O&M skills are a must before 
getting a guide
 dog.  That does not just include knowing how to use a cane but 
also knowing
 where you are and which direction you are pointing relative to 
your
 surroundings.  I do see how a child might try to avoid using a 
cane just
 because having a dog is cooler.  No, I don't necessarily like my 
cane, but
 that has nothing to do with the fact that the cane means that I 
am blind.

 I don't really know what to say about things not working out 
with the
 family.  I think that there would need to be some kind of 
information for the
 family, and some way for the representatives from the guide dog 
school to
 talk to the child about how things are going without parents 
skewing the
 information.  Sometimes, when I have to keep reminding people 
about things
 about my guide dog, I joke about sending them to the guide dog 
training just
 so that they can learn the rules.

 I do agree that responsibility for the dog can be a problem, but 
I think
 that it should be considered on a case by case basis.  Perhaps a 
strongly
 recommended prerequisite for a child getting a guide dog is that 
the child
 has to be able to take care of a family pet almost independently 
before
 getting a guide dog.  When I was eleven, my family got a pet 
dog, and,
 although I did not do everything, I could do most of the tasks 
for taking
 care of her on my own.  Had push come to shove, I would have 
found a way to
 do the other tasks.  But my parents have always encouraged my 
independence,
 so I certainly see where it could be more of a problem of 
parents wanting to
 help too much.  Perhaps there could be some sort of paperwork 
for the parents
 as well saying that the dog is the responsibility of the child 
and the
 parents are not supposed to help too much.  I do definitely 
agree that this
 is important for a good working relation with the dog, 
especially in the
 first few months.

 I agree that it needs to be the choice of the child to get a 
guide dog.  It
 most certainly was me, not my parents, who decided that I would 
get a guide
 dog.  They most certainly were not against it, but it was my 
decision, and
 they have always been mostly supportive of letting make my own 
personal
 choices.

 I also agree that having a child get a guide dog because the 
child is
 supposedly safer is not a valid reason for a child to get a 
guide dog,
 especially if the parents expect the dog to protect the child.

 I do agree that some people are probably not mature enough at 
thirteen or
 fourteen to get a guide dog, but I am sure that some do exist.  
Again, it is
 something that needs to be considered differently for each 
situation.

 It is not *horrible* to wait till you are sixteen, but I 
certainly would
 have enjoyed a guide dog a little sooner than I got one.  I find 
travel that
 much easier and more enjoyable with a dog rather than a cane.

 Perhaps one way of trying to make sure that the dog was actually 
used as a
 guide dog and did not just become a pet would be to have 
stricter vision
 requirements for younger children as I feel that younger 
children are more
 likely to use (or try to use) any remaining vision that they 
have.  This gets
 back to that a person needs to have accepted his/her blindness 
before
 getting a guide dog.

 I also don't like that people think that children can be more 
independent
 just because they have a guide dog.  There is nothing that keeps 
a parent
 from reaching over and holding on to his/her child if the child 
has a dog
 any more than if the child has a cane.  I am an adult, and 
people still try
 to hold onto and direct me when I am using my dog.

 Returning to the point about children having to tell people, 
including
 people older than him/her, not to pet the dog, I can definitely 
tell where
 this would be a problem.  However, if it is junior high and not 
elementary
 school, I would think that the school staff could come to 
understand the
 rules, even if it had to come from someone other than the child, 
such as a
 rep from the guide dog school.

 As a closing case, I will say that, although I reference my 
experiences in
 this email, my experiences certainly are not those of every 
blind child.

 Nicole

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Deanna Lewis
 Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:05 AM
 To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users(nagdu at nfbnet.org)
 Subject: [nagdu] Guide dog school that offers guide dogs to 
children between
 the ages of 11 & 17 years old.

 What do you all think about this...
 Deanna and Pascal



 MIRA - The only organization in the United States dedicated to 
providing
 guide dogs to blind children and youth between the ages of 
11-17.

 MIRA: from the Spanish "look", "to have one's sights set on", 
was the
 nickname of a favorite guide dog trained by Eric St.  Pierre, 
founder of MIRA
 Canada.  MIRA Foundation USA takes its name from its 
collaboration with MIRA
 Canada, a nonprofit organization founded in 1981 upon the belief 
that all
 individuals, regardless of their physical challenges, should be 
able to set
 their sights on the same goals as those people born without 
handicaps.

 Today, MIRA Canada is recognized as a global leader in the 
breeding,
 selection, and training of guide and service dogs.  MIRA USA was 
created in

 2008 as a legally separate entity, but with close ties to MIRA 
Canada, where
 our dogs are currently trained.

 Our mission is to offer blind children in the United States 
between the ages
 of 11-17 the opportunity to receive guide dogs free of charge, 
to provide
 targeted educational outreach to promote public awareness, and, 
as we
 continue to grow, to offer support services to the adult 
population of blind
 and their families.

 It is our experience that blind children, for the most part, are 
highly
 adaptive, fiercely determined, and seek to have many of the same
 opportunities as their sighted peers.  Although a cane provides 
an adequate
 degree of mobility for the blind and severely visually impaired, 
there
 remain some serious limitations.  For example, it is impossible 
to navigate
 with a cane when there is no tactical information such as what 
is provided
 by sidewalks.  A child living in a rural area is severely 
challenged by this
 restriction.

 Furthermore, a cane tends to be isolating, whereas a dog 
provides a social
 bridge to the sighted community.  Not only are dogs social 
creatures, they
 also provide stability and a level of protection through their 
visual
 awareness training that a cane could never replicate.

 Finally, a guide dog provides a young blind person with a 
greater level of
 self-reliance at an early age.  Although a very young student is 
not going to
 be out on the streets alone with their dog, having the ability 
to navigate
 without holding a parent's hand is crucial to developing 
maturity and
 confidence.  The student's freedom and mobility are especially 
enhanced in
 the school environment with the assistance of a guide dog.  
Although there is
 no cure for blindness, there can be hope, and we at MIRA witness 
it every
 day through the service of a MIRA guide dog.

 http://www.mirausa.org/


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