[nagdu] How long is "successful"

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How do we define success?

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From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 10:41 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"

I want to make it clear that I'm not at all interested in labelling a
particular team as "successful" or "unsuccessful", except as a means to
arrive at a statistic.  What I want are overall numbers that should give a 
picture of how a training program is doing.    It's the kind of thing I do 
in my job.  I work for a big hospital, and I write a lot of reports like
this:  How many people were admitted with diagnosis X, and how long did they
stay?  I'm not interested in particular patients; I'm interested in the big
picture.

I don't know how to get these stats though, since the schools would have to
provide the data.  I do think I saw something similar in the old GDUI
survey, or the Eames' book, but that was several years ago, now.
Tracy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"


> True, but I still think it would give some idea of how well a school is 
> doing. At least it would give a ballpark number to look at.
> If the dog gets seriously ill at a young age, I would not really call that

> successful.
> If it's a struggle, but the team stay together, I'd still call it 
> successful.  My first dog and I had our problems, but we worked together 
> for about 5 years.  I call that successful.  My Ben is not perfect, 
> either, and I have to work to keep him in line even now, but we do very 
> well and have worked together for 6 years now.  So it can be a struggle, 
> but still successful.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
>
>
>>I think "successful" is a very difficult thing to define. What if you had 
>>your dog two years and the work had been great, but that dog got sick or 
>>so traumatized that it couldn't work anymore. But they were successful up 
>>to that point. What if someone works with a dog but it is a struggle the 
>>whole time, but they don't say anything to anyone about it. Is that 
>>success? I just think success is a little hard to define in black and 
>>white terms.
>>
>> Cindy Lou
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:03 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Darla asked how long a team has to be out to be "successful".  I'd say 
>>> at least 2 years, just to put a number on it.  Or possibly 3; I could 
>>> argue either way.
>>> I'd be real curious to see numbers from schools of teams graduated, and 
>>> partnerships that lasted 3 years or more. I think that should be a 
>>> pretty good indicator as to how well the school is doing. I mean, if 
>>> school X put out 500 teams, and 300 of them stayed together, that's only

>>> a 60% success rate, and not so good.  But if 400 of them worked 3 years 
>>> or more, that's 80% success, which is pretty good.
>>> Tracy
>>>
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