[nagdu] How long is "successful"

[Darla Rogers]

No, Stargazer because we have schools who always blame the students, no
matter what.
	Until schools get back to solution-focused student assistance, we
will continue to see people keeping dogs they probably really should
not--been there; done that--and I hope I'm strong enough not to ever do that
again because I'm helping the school I attend inflate their statistics.
Darla


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 10:25 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"

Larry,
Your post about your dog not stopping at curbs as a good example of how
difficult this is to deal with. 
Reading your post, I was thinking "I couldn't deal with that behavior". Y Ou
feel differently. You love your dog. You and she have a history. I don't
know your dog, and have no history with her. 
I'm wondering if the statistics used on marriage and divorce rates would
serve as a good model? 
We all know people who have been married for 60 years and are miserable.
Yet, for all kinds of reasons they stay married. 
Likewise, we all know marriages that ended quickly for any number of
reasons. 
And as with dogs, we all have a friend where we think "How does she put up
with *that*". 


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:19 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"

Aggreed! My point is that too many variables exist to have a perfect team. 
You have to use some kind of continuum scale to measure. And, what success
if for one is not the same as it is for another. If you use saftey as you're
standard most folks I know at least have that covered.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"


> Well, I'd say that even if a team works for one month and does well, 
> they're successful.  I say this because after one gets home, things 
> could happen.
> Dogs get sick, humans get sick, dogs die, humans die, circumstances 
> change, etc., etc., etc.
>
> I just don't think we can put too much of a figure on it.  I figure, 
> though, one can begin to tell how successful a team is after they get 
> home and work a bit.  One can also tell during class if a team might 
> be successful or not.
>
> Margoa nd Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
> Carcione
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:04 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
>
> Darla asked how long a team has to be out to be "successful".  I'd say 
> at least 2 years, just to put a number on it.  Or possibly 3; I could 
> argue either way.
> I'd be real curious to see numbers from schools of teams graduated, 
> and partnerships that lasted 3 years or more. I think that should be a 
> pretty good indicator as to how well the school is doing. I mean, if 
> school X put out 500 teams, and 300 of them stayed together, that's 
> only a 60% success rate, and not so good.  But if 400 of them worked 3 
> years or more, that's 80% success, which is pretty good.
> Tracy
>
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