[nagdu] How long is "successful"

[Star Gazer]

That would be a useful question to study. Would you saying people are keeping dogs due to intimidation from the schools?

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On Jun 7, 2013, at 12:18 PM, "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, Stargazer because we have schools who always blame the students, no
> matter what.
>    Until schools get back to solution-focused student assistance, we
> will continue to see people keeping dogs they probably really should
> not--been there; done that--and I hope I'm strong enough not to ever do that
> again because I'm helping the school I attend inflate their statistics.
> Darla
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 10:25 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
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> Larry,
> Your post about your dog not stopping at curbs as a good example of how
> difficult this is to deal with. 
> Reading your post, I was thinking "I couldn't deal with that behavior". Y Ou
> feel differently. You love your dog. You and she have a history. I don't
> know your dog, and have no history with her. 
> I'm wondering if the statistics used on marriage and divorce rates would
> serve as a good model? 
> We all know people who have been married for 60 years and are miserable.
> Yet, for all kinds of reasons they stay married. 
> Likewise, we all know marriages that ended quickly for any number of
> reasons. 
> And as with dogs, we all have a friend where we think "How does she put up
> with *that*". 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:19 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
> 
> Aggreed! My point is that too many variables exist to have a perfect team. 
> You have to use some kind of continuum scale to measure. And, what success
> if for one is not the same as it is for another. If you use saftey as you're
> standard most folks I know at least have that covered.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
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> 
>> Well, I'd say that even if a team works for one month and does well, 
>> they're successful.  I say this because after one gets home, things 
>> could happen.
>> Dogs get sick, humans get sick, dogs die, humans die, circumstances 
>> change, etc., etc., etc.
>> 
>> I just don't think we can put too much of a figure on it.  I figure, 
>> though, one can begin to tell how successful a team is after they get 
>> home and work a bit.  One can also tell during class if a team might 
>> be successful or not.
>> 
>> Margoa nd Arrow
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>> Carcione
>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:04 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
>> 
>> Darla asked how long a team has to be out to be "successful".  I'd say 
>> at least 2 years, just to put a number on it.  Or possibly 3; I could 
>> argue either way.
>> I'd be real curious to see numbers from schools of teams graduated, 
>> and partnerships that lasted 3 years or more. I think that should be a 
>> pretty good indicator as to how well the school is doing. I mean, if 
>> school X put out 500 teams, and 300 of them stayed together, that's 
>> only a 60% success rate, and not so good.  But if 400 of them worked 3 
>> years or more, that's 80% success, which is pretty good.
>> Tracy
>> 
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