[nagdu] First time poster

Sun Jun 9 18:03:10 UTC 2013

Yeah, right on, Buddy.  I tend to do the same thing with people and my dog. 
When you try to explain things, they just giggle and I get pissed.  Yeah, 
very effective to have them see right off that the dog gets into trouble and 
corrected and the person is to blame.  And, yes, we are the experts on our 
dogs and ourselves - not other folks who don't know jack s**t anyway.

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] First time poster

> Hi,
>
> Welcome aboard, and also to the whole guide dog lifestyle thingy.
>
> I want to expand a little bit on what Tracy said. Bottom line: telling 
> your classmates about your dog isn't your professor's responsibility, it's 
> yours. I, personally, wouldn't leave something that important to someone 
> else anyway, for two reasons. Well, at least two, but I can't count a lot 
> higher than that. First, because it's not someone else's responsibility. 
> But second, and as important, your professor doesn't know your dog, and 
> likely has little knowledge of how the whole thing works anyway
>
> In my hundred or so years of experience, I've developed the following dog 
> interaction philosophy. If we're doing something, like crossing a street 
> or what not, or walking, or I'm in the middle of another conversation with 
> someone else, and someone asks to pet my dog, or rudely interrupts my 
> conversation to hatter on about my dog, I don't allow it. If my dog can 
> handle it and we're not doing anything, I might. It may seem arbitrary, 
> but like Bobby Brown said, it's my prerogative, I can do whatever I want. 
> But that's only half, and the least important half. More to the point, I 
> can control what I do. I can control what my dog does. I can control how 
> my dog and I react to a given situation. What I can't control is what 
> idiots out there in the general public do. Therefore, I know that people 
> will pet my dog without my permission, consent, or even knowledge. If my 
> dog reacts to this inappropriately, he gets corrected, whatever a 
> correction entails for him. This is usually quite effective, both for the 
> dog and for the interfering idiot, who gets upset that my dog got in 
> trouble. I'm sure to let them know that they got him in trouble, whether 
> by directly telling them or by making sure they see the dog get in 
> trouble.
>
> But whatever I do, or anyone else does, you're going to learn all the 
> basics when you start training. You'll be able to build on that.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:03 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Laura.
>> I've had 6 dogs, and got my first in college, many years ago.
>> I never asked my professors to explain the rules or say anything about 
>> the dog.  If someone tried to pet the dog, I explained that the dog was 
>> working, and couldn't be petted.  This is a problem you'll have through 
>> your life with a dog, in and out of school.  You'll have to learn ways to 
>> deal with it, I'm afraid.
>> I also worked on keeping the dog under control in the face of 
>> distractions, so that, even when silly people ignored me and petted her, 
>> or made stupid noises at her, she would ignore them and go about her 
>> business.  It's much easier to control a dog than to control a strange 
>> human.
>>
>> Sidewalks going off at angles is not a problem.  Dogs know when you say 
>> "left" it doesn't necessarily mean a 90-degree turn.  Honestly, sometimes 
>> I've just pointed and said "thataway", and the dog has done it.  Dogs are 
>> smart; they're not dumb machines.
>> They also get to know your regular routes, and, once they know what you 
>> want, can pick the right walkway or door, even if there are several 
>> choices. That came in real handy after big snowstorms.  Old Glade knew 
>> where the walks were, even if they hadn't been shovelled, and, if we were 
>> close to the building I wanted, I could just tell her "Inside", and she'd 
>> find the door, even when I was a bit confused by the snowdrifts.
>> HTH.Welcome to the list.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura" <lltcna at yahoo.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 8:45 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] First time poster
>>
>>
>>> Thank you everyone who has responded I have a few targeted questions
>>> 1. I know that in my classes the students will be told by the professor 
>>> on the first day the rules of the team ask to pet and ect. But how do I 
>>> handle the crowded walkways were form what I am told the students are 
>>> lees well behaved and are more likely to cause a distraction
>>>
>>> 2. How do I deal with difficult professors that don't understand the 
>>> importance of making the rules clear to the class or worse yet don't 
>>> want a dog in class
>>>
>>> 3. I understand from a Juno walk that the dogs turn left or right at 90 
>>> degrees on my campus there are a lot of sidewalks the go out at other 
>>> angles is there a different command to take this type of turn vs a 90 
>>> degree turn one school that I talked to before I found freedom told me 
>>> this is unique to college campuses and malls
>>>
>>> Sorry so long
>>> Laura
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