[nagdu] discussion concerning my letter to the board of directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind

Tue Jun 11 00:25:48 UTC 2013

Darla, oh, sorry about the fall.  That must have been quite a shock.  I
think sometimes we fall 'cause we fall and it's unfortunate.  In 1980, I was
mopping my floor and slipped and broke my right hand just right.  It didn't
need immediate setting but later it did.  Quite an experience.  Anyway, back
to dogs before this goes off topic.

You are so wise to prepare yourself for this training, and hey, if you feel
you need the full four weeks, well, go for it.  

I do think people have become overreliant on the community instructors.  

Margo and Arrow

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:17 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] discussion concerning my letter to the board of
directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind

I do understand Margi, so please don't think I'm disrespecting you either;
perhaps, we have become a little over-reliant on the community instructors
from any school who has them, and we do need to do as much as we can without
help, so I have decided, with the school's blessing to stay the four weeks
this time because, somehow, I have developed a huge fear of falling--it
wasn't Roxy or any dog's fault nor was it my cane's.  <giggle>
	In preparation, I have been working with an o&m instructor to find
out if anything was amiss in my body movement or anything, but maybe it
was/is not more than I fell off my back steps--because of a brain fart--I
forgot I was on them and broke my arm.  It wasn't serious and I recovered
completely; still not sure if that is the reason or not, but I shall
overcome.
	I will say working with a dog and moving slightly faster than I
could with a cane, and I do feel like my balance is better.
Darla

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:37 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] discussion concerning my letter to the board of
directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind

But, Darla, I've heard that type of thing from many schools and not just the
Seeing Eye.  I've known people even when there were community instructors
who brought ill dogs home.  I just don't see this as a new problem.  I don't
see this as just a Seeing eye problem.  I'm sorry this happened to you and
am not trying to downplay it at all.  

Things do change, but, things changed after Seeing Eye's inception and kept
changing and still there were no community instructors.  I have traveled
throughout this country and encountered all kinds of traffic situations and
other situations and my dogs and I have been able to deal with them.  I've
seen stuff change even since my first dog in 1981.  I have never needed
someone to come and visit me from the school but I know if it's needed,
someone will visit if we can't work on it on the phone or through emails.

Margo and Arrow

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 7:07 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] discussion concerning my letter to the board of
directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind

Yes, Margo, but it is hard to believe, but in some areas of the country, the
infrastructure and environments have changed a lot, and Seeing Eye tries
ve4ry hard to help us replicate a situation we may have at home, but  I
believe that is where the community instructors come in--they see what we
deal with every day.
	BTW, I had a problem I don't care to go into here, and I was
informed my problem wasn't a safety issue--interesting since my dog was
doing some very unsafe things plus she was ill when I brought her home and
the school knew it.
Darla

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:10 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] discussion concerning my letter to the board of
directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind

>From what I hear, students are being served on and off campus and, as many
of you know, Seeing Eye housed the training in a hotel while dealing with
infrastructure and mechanical matters at the main campus.  And, that
happened just fine.  Students are back at the campus now, and, even some of
the things started at the hotel have been brought back to the main campus.  

>From what I hear, students are given follow-up as needed.

Folks, I was at The Eye in 1981 the first time.  We did not have field reps.
Still, students got to talk things over on the phone, we used snail mail,
students got visits.  It still happened.  

Margo and Arrow

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:51 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] discussion concerning my letter to the board of
directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind

Also,

The Seeing Eye cuts took place, I believe, last year.  We have not heard of
drastic changes in service at TSE while we are hearing such about GDB.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 09:47 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] discussion concerning my letter to the board of
directors of Guide Dogs for the Blind

I think the issues with Seeing Eye are somewhat different. With GDB, I think
the issue is, at least in part, the firing of employees, but more to the
point, the lack of transparency and communication with the graduates and
staff about changes. It is clear to me that Seeing Eye made all such
personnel changes clear to staff, and the need for same, long before the
cuts actually happened, and after they happened, the school was very
forthright and transparent in explaining the reasons for the cuts. Yes,
there is a group of Seeing Eye students making some noise about their cuts
as well, but I don't see it the same way at all. 
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Passle Helminski <passle at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> If we sign and write to the board for this school shouldn't we do it 
> for
See Eye too?
> 
> Passle
> 
> On Jun 9, 2013, at 6:54 PM, "Michael Hingson" 
> <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
wrote:
> 
>> Buddy,
>> 
>> That's enough for sure.  You done good.  Please also sign and write 
>> to the board.
>> 
> 
> 
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