[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

[Larry D. Keeler]

Carol, welcome! Yes, schools do address courtesy. But, some folks don't 
bother to learn! I for one, will wait my turn. Sometimes dogs will try to go 
to the front of the line though. It is up to the handler not to let that 
happen.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Osmar" <osmarc at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes


> Hello All, I am new to the list, and am looking forward to learning from 
> your discussions.  I am in my 60S and recently  retired.  I have been a 
> cane user all my life, but just recently applied for a guide dog, so, I 
> have a lot to learn.
>
> Although I haven't had a dog, I have been around many people with guide 
> dogs, and I have noticed on many occasions, a blind person with a dog will 
> plow his way through a crowd to get to the head of the line.  I feel this 
> is rude.  My question is, Do the schools address the issue of curtesy to 
> others when using a dog?
>
> I have never been in New York City,   so I don't know what it is like 
> traveling there as a blind person.  Perhaps you would be trampled if you 
> are not aggressive there.
>
> Carol  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:05:00 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> I think a dog is much better for moving easily through a crowd.  I know
> plenty of people use canes in New York City, but I imagine they have to
> slow way down when things get crowded, or whack a lot of ankles.  Ben just
> slides on through, finding spaces between people.  Ben is one of those
> "pushy urban dogs".  Crowds are something of a specialty with him, and I
> really appreciate that.
> Tracy
>
> Great point Nicole as even the best cane user would not find such an
> obstacle.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
> Torcolini
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:08 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> Okay, yes, I know that this one has gone round and round before, but I had
> something happen today that made me just have to bring it up one more
> time.
> There is the way of thinking that says that the good cane user should be
> able to travel as quickly and as safely with a cane as with a dog.
> However,
> unless you wear a full body shield, I just don't think that that is true.
> For reasons that I will not discuss here, I was out walking today with my
> cane rather than Lexia.  I was traversing a route that I have taken
> numerous
> times with Lexia.  Lexia usually stays a tiny bit from the edge of the 
> side
> walk.  However, as I was using my cane rather than Lexia, I was trailing
> the
> edge.  There is a staircase that comes down from a building that has a
> railing that sticks out farther than the bottom step.  With Lexia, this 
> had
> never before posed a problem as she had cleared it as an obstacle.
> However,
> I had no way of detecting it without her; it was at hip level.  As a
> result,
> I ran right into it.  I was not hurt or anything, but it just goes to show
> that there are those things that a guide dog, at least a well trained one,
> usually detects that a cane cannot.
>
> Nicole
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