[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Tue Jun 25 05:59:20 UTC 2013

welcome to the list.
I just got my first guide dog two years ago.
Its been my experience that no matter what the mode of travel is there are 
some very rude things that happen.
Like cane users hitting dogs on purpose, dog users letting their dogs sniff 
inappropriately, and much more.
I try to be considerate, since I have been a cane user and now a dog user.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Osmar" <osmarc at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Hello All, I am new to the list, and am looking forward to
learning from your discussions.  I am in my 60S and recently
retired.  I have been a cane user all my life, but just recently
applied for a guide dog, so, I have a lot to learn.

 Although I haven't had a dog, I have been around many people
with guide dogs, and I have noticed on many occasions, a blind
person with a dog will plow his way through a crowd to get to the
head of the line.  I feel this is rude.  My question is, Do the
schools address the issue of curtesy to others when using a dog?

I have never been in New York City,   so I don't know what it is
like traveling there as a blind person.  Perhaps you would be
trampled if you are not aggressive there.

Carol  ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

I think a dog is much better for moving easily through a crowd.
I know
plenty of people use canes in New York City, but I imagine they
have to
slow way down when things get crowded, or whack a lot of ankles.
Ben just
slides on through, finding spaces between people.  Ben is one of
those
"pushy urban dogs".  Crowds are something of a specialty with
him, and I
really appreciate that.
Tracy

 Great point Nicole as even the best cane user would not find
such an
 obstacle.

 Steve

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Nicole
 Torcolini
 Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:08 PM
 To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
 Subject: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

 Okay, yes, I know that this one has gone round and round before,
but I had
 something happen today that made me just have to bring it up one
more
 time.
 There is the way of thinking that says that the good cane user
should be
 able to travel as quickly and as safely with a cane as with a
dog.
 However,
 unless you wear a full body shield, I just don't think that that
is true.
 For reasons that I will not discuss here, I was out walking
today with my
 cane rather than Lexia.  I was traversing a route that I have
taken
 numerous
 times with Lexia.  Lexia usually stays a tiny bit from the edge
of the side
 walk.  However, as I was using my cane rather than Lexia, I was
trailing
 the
 edge.  There is a staircase that comes down from a building that
has a
 railing that sticks out farther than the bottom step.  With
Lexia, this had
 never before posed a problem as she had cleared it as an
obstacle.
 However,
 I had no way of detecting it without her; it was at hip level.
As a
 result,
 I ran right into it.  I was not hurt or anything, but it just
goes to show
 that there are those things that a guide dog, at least a well
trained one,
 usually detects that a cane cannot.

 Nicole
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