[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Tue Jun 25 03:29:59 UTC 2013

Hi Carol,

Welcome to the list.  I have actually had this problem with my dog.  I
agree with everyone that it is very rude.  I will say though that at
first I had trouble realizing what my dog was doing until it was too
late.  I would be looking for the back of the line, and I ended up way
ahead of where I should be because my dog saw an opening and led me to
it.  Of course, sighted people were too afraid to tell me that I cut
in line, so I went on not knowing until I realized there were more
people behind me.  It hasn't happened  in years, but cutting in lines
is one of those things that first-time handelers may miss.

I think it's safe to say that you will be on the look out with your dog.  :)

On 6/24/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> Mike, I've seen folks do that with canes as well. Unfortunately, rude folks
>
> come in all shapes and sizes.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
>
> Carol,
>
> There is no excuse for rudeness anywhere.  If guide dog users plow through
> people they are being inconsiderate.
>
> Dogs do look for ways around obstacles, and people can be obstacles.  It is
> up to us as guide dog users to watch our dogs' behaviors to make sure they
> are not helping us cut in lines.  We are still in charge and need to manage
> our guides.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol Osmar
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 05:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> Hello All, I am new to the list, and am looking forward to learning from
> your discussions.  I am in my 60S and recently retired.  I have been a cane
> user all my life, but just recently applied for a guide dog, so, I have a
> lot to learn.
>
>  Although I haven't had a dog, I have been around many people with guide
> dogs, and I have noticed on many occasions, a blind person with a dog will
> plow his way through a crowd to get to the head of the line.  I feel this
> is
> rude.  My question is, Do the schools address the issue of curtesy to
> others
> when using a dog?
>
> I have never been in New York City,   so I don't know what it is
> like traveling there as a blind person.  Perhaps you would be trampled if
> you are not aggressive there.
>
> Carol  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:05:00 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> I think a dog is much better for moving easily through a crowd.
> I know
> plenty of people use canes in New York City, but I imagine they have to
> slow
> way down when things get crowded, or whack a lot of ankles.
> Ben just
> slides on through, finding spaces between people.  Ben is one of those
> "pushy urban dogs".  Crowds are something of a specialty with him, and I
> really appreciate that.
> Tracy
>
>  Great point Nicole as even the best cane user would not find such an
> obstacle.
>
>  Steve
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
> Torcolini
>  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:08 PM
>  To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>  Subject: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
>  Okay, yes, I know that this one has gone round and round before, but I had
> something happen today that made me just have to bring it up one more
> time.
>  There is the way of thinking that says that the good cane user should be
> able to travel as quickly and as safely with a cane as with a dog.
>  However,
>  unless you wear a full body shield, I just don't think that that is true.
>  For reasons that I will not discuss here, I was out walking today with my
> cane rather than Lexia.  I was traversing a route that I have taken
> numerous  times with Lexia.  Lexia usually stays a tiny bit from the edge
> of
> the side  walk.  However, as I was using my cane rather than Lexia, I was
> trailing  the  edge.  There is a staircase that comes down from a building
> that has a  railing that sticks out farther than the bottom step.  With
> Lexia, this had  never before posed a problem as she had cleared it as an
> obstacle.
>  However,
>  I had no way of detecting it without her; it was at hip level.
> As a
>  result,
>  I ran right into it.  I was not hurt or anything, but it just goes to show
> that there are those things that a guide dog, at least a well trained one,
> usually detects that a cane cannot.
>
>  Nicole
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Julie McG
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Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
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