[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Tue Jun 25 12:39:40 UTC 2013

My first dog would do this, take me to what she thought was the end of the line. Like mike, it took me awhile to realize there was a problem. Also I would encounter people who liked dogs and would say it was fine for me to stay where I was. Since so much else had changed with using a dog, I didn't realize for quite some time anything was wrong. 

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Carol,
> 
> Welcome to the list.  I have actually had this problem with my dog.  I
> agree with everyone that it is very rude.  I will say though that at
> first I had trouble realizing what my dog was doing until it was too
> late.  I would be looking for the back of the line, and I ended up way
> ahead of where I should be because my dog saw an opening and led me to
> it.  Of course, sighted people were too afraid to tell me that I cut
> in line, so I went on not knowing until I realized there were more
> people behind me.  It hasn't happened  in years, but cutting in lines
> is one of those things that first-time handelers may miss.
> 
> I think it's safe to say that you will be on the look out with your dog.  :)
> 
> On 6/24/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Mike, I've seen folks do that with canes as well. Unfortunately, rude folks
>> 
>> come in all shapes and sizes.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> 
>> Carol,
>> 
>> There is no excuse for rudeness anywhere.  If guide dog users plow through
>> people they are being inconsiderate.
>> 
>> Dogs do look for ways around obstacles, and people can be obstacles.  It is
>> up to us as guide dog users to watch our dogs' behaviors to make sure they
>> are not helping us cut in lines.  We are still in charge and need to manage
>> our guides.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Hingson
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol Osmar
>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 05:43 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> Hello All, I am new to the list, and am looking forward to learning from
>> your discussions.  I am in my 60S and recently retired.  I have been a cane
>> user all my life, but just recently applied for a guide dog, so, I have a
>> lot to learn.
>> 
>> Although I haven't had a dog, I have been around many people with guide
>> dogs, and I have noticed on many occasions, a blind person with a dog will
>> plow his way through a crowd to get to the head of the line.  I feel this
>> is
>> rude.  My question is, Do the schools address the issue of curtesy to
>> others
>> when using a dog?
>> 
>> I have never been in New York City,   so I don't know what it is
>> like traveling there as a blind person.  Perhaps you would be trampled if
>> you are not aggressive there.
>> 
>> Carol  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:05:00 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> I think a dog is much better for moving easily through a crowd.
>> I know
>> plenty of people use canes in New York City, but I imagine they have to
>> slow
>> way down when things get crowded, or whack a lot of ankles.
>> Ben just
>> slides on through, finding spaces between people.  Ben is one of those
>> "pushy urban dogs".  Crowds are something of a specialty with him, and I
>> really appreciate that.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> Great point Nicole as even the best cane user would not find such an
>> obstacle.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>> Torcolini
>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:08 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> Okay, yes, I know that this one has gone round and round before, but I had
>> something happen today that made me just have to bring it up one more
>> time.
>> There is the way of thinking that says that the good cane user should be
>> able to travel as quickly and as safely with a cane as with a dog.
>> However,
>> unless you wear a full body shield, I just don't think that that is true.
>> For reasons that I will not discuss here, I was out walking today with my
>> cane rather than Lexia.  I was traversing a route that I have taken
>> numerous  times with Lexia.  Lexia usually stays a tiny bit from the edge
>> of
>> the side  walk.  However, as I was using my cane rather than Lexia, I was
>> trailing  the  edge.  There is a staircase that comes down from a building
>> that has a  railing that sticks out farther than the bottom step.  With
>> Lexia, this had  never before posed a problem as she had cleared it as an
>> obstacle.
>> However,
>> I had no way of detecting it without her; it was at hip level.
>> As a
>> result,
>> I ran right into it.  I was not hurt or anything, but it just goes to show
>> that there are those things that a guide dog, at least a well trained one,
>> usually detects that a cane cannot.
>> 
>> Nicole
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