[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Fri Jun 28 13:29:36 UTC 2013

I don't use my dog to find the end of a line and I don't use a cane
either. about 100% of the time, I use my mouth. You'd be surprised how
many people will actually thank you for not just barging in on their
spot in line. Most of the time, if the person I've asked isn't at the
end of the line, they call to the end and say something like "hey,
someone call her towards the end of the line." It's as simple as that
for me. :)

On 6/28/13, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
> Yes, it's fine to use a cane to check out something the dog is showing you
> and you can't figure it out.  Using a cane on sidewalkless routes to check
> your proximity to the edge is common.  Also using a cane to pattern a dog to
>
> a specific turn, like the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox, is fairly
> common.
>
> In some other countries a shorter white cane and the dog are used
> simultaneously all the time.  Here, in the U.S., the more common practice is
>
> to get out a folding cane when it is needed and then to return to the dog.
>
> I have owner trained my guides, so they are all accustomed to me using a
> cane because I have to early in the process.  However if a dog isn't used to
>
> the handler using a cane, it can cause a bit of confusion at first.  I think
>
> most of the programs are incorporating the cane into the training though.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carol Osmar
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:54 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> As a potential dog user, I have a question.  Is it ever
> recommended to use a cane while with your dog to locate the
> things you mentioned, or would that somehow undermine the
> trusting partnership you have with your dog?
>
> Carol
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:30:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> There are mobility things a cane can accomplish more easily than
> a dog.
> Finding the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox is tough with a
> dog, but a
> breeze with a cane.  Finding the mailbox in the first place is
> easier with a
> cane.  Mingling in a crowd is easier with a cane.  Dogs just want
> to go
> around and will avoid taking you up to clusters of people.  As
> was mentioned
> earlier, finding and standing in line is tough with a dog.  Odd
> situations
> you haven't encountered before are easier with a cane, for
> example the weird
> steps to the curb and street that I described a few months ago.
> Any
> information from echolocation from the tap of the cane tip is
> virtually
> nonexistent with a dog.  Getting information about your immediate
> surroundings, like am I walking past a flower bed or a giant mud
> puddle, is
> easier with a cane.  Knowing what surface you are about to step
> onto before
> taking that first step is way easier with a cane.  Ever take a
> step onto a
> brick road early on a fall morning after a frost?  It is slick
> and a dog
> can't see any ice.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:56 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> Hi,
> I do not view the cane or cane users negatively.  I would never
> say
> that I am better than cane users as a collective because I뭢 sure
> there are people who travel more efficiently with their cane than
> I do
> with my dog.  But apart from handlers/users, guide dogs simply do
> more
> than canes do.  That is a fact, not an opinion.
> It is a personal choice, just as what kind of dog, car, phone, or
> laptop people decide to obtain, or what school people decide to
> attend.  Everyone will make their ultimate decisions based on
> needs,
> wants, affordability, and ability to handle.
> However, I will stand firm that the guide dog is a better
> mobility aid
> because it has more capabilities and is more precise.  No one has
> disputed this fact with evidence or explanations.
> I understand there are advantages and disadvantages to
> everything, but
> that does not mean all things are on some neutral ground.  Some
> cars
> are better than others, some phones are better than others, and
> some
> foods are better than others, regardless of what people can
> afford,
> are willing to put up with, or are able to handle.
> I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive.  My intentions are
> simply to
> debate and share thought-provoking ideas, not to stir up trouble
> or
> cause some kind of divide.
>
> --
> Raven
>
> Original Message:
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide
> Dog
>         Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> You obviously view the cane as negative, your posts are full of
> negative
> language.  You yourself have said you hate the cane.  That
> baffles me, as the
> cane doesn't feel anything about you, one way or another.
> You are entitled to your opinion, just realize it is exactly
> that, your
> opinion.
>
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