[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Fri Jun 28 13:34:31 UTC 2013

Wow, imagine that, a little common sense works. LOL

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On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:29 AM, "Danielle A. Creapeau" <dcreapeau at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't use my dog to find the end of a line and I don't use a cane
> either. about 100% of the time, I use my mouth. You'd be surprised how
> many people will actually thank you for not just barging in on their
> spot in line. Most of the time, if the person I've asked isn't at the
> end of the line, they call to the end and say something like "hey,
> someone call her towards the end of the line." It's as simple as that
> for me. :)
> 
> On 6/28/13, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> Yes, it's fine to use a cane to check out something the dog is showing you
>> and you can't figure it out.  Using a cane on sidewalkless routes to check
>> your proximity to the edge is common.  Also using a cane to pattern a dog to
>> 
>> a specific turn, like the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox, is fairly
>> common.
>> 
>> In some other countries a shorter white cane and the dog are used
>> simultaneously all the time.  Here, in the U.S., the more common practice is
>> 
>> to get out a folding cane when it is needed and then to return to the dog.
>> 
>> I have owner trained my guides, so they are all accustomed to me using a
>> cane because I have to early in the process.  However if a dog isn't used to
>> 
>> the handler using a cane, it can cause a bit of confusion at first.  I think
>> 
>> most of the programs are incorporating the cane into the training though.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carol Osmar
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:54 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> As a potential dog user, I have a question.  Is it ever
>> recommended to use a cane while with your dog to locate the
>> things you mentioned, or would that somehow undermine the
>> trusting partnership you have with your dog?
>> 
>> Carol
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:30:32 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> There are mobility things a cane can accomplish more easily than
>> a dog.
>> Finding the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox is tough with a
>> dog, but a
>> breeze with a cane.  Finding the mailbox in the first place is
>> easier with a
>> cane.  Mingling in a crowd is easier with a cane.  Dogs just want
>> to go
>> around and will avoid taking you up to clusters of people.  As
>> was mentioned
>> earlier, finding and standing in line is tough with a dog.  Odd
>> situations
>> you haven't encountered before are easier with a cane, for
>> example the weird
>> steps to the curb and street that I described a few months ago.
>> Any
>> information from echolocation from the tap of the cane tip is
>> virtually
>> nonexistent with a dog.  Getting information about your immediate
>> surroundings, like am I walking past a flower bed or a giant mud
>> puddle, is
>> easier with a cane.  Knowing what surface you are about to step
>> onto before
>> taking that first step is way easier with a cane.  Ever take a
>> step onto a
>> brick road early on a fall morning after a frost?  It is slick
>> and a dog
>> can't see any ice.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Raven Tolliver
>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:56 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I do not view the cane or cane users negatively.  I would never
>> say
>> that I am better than cane users as a collective because I뭢 sure
>> there are people who travel more efficiently with their cane than
>> I do
>> with my dog.  But apart from handlers/users, guide dogs simply do
>> more
>> than canes do.  That is a fact, not an opinion.
>> It is a personal choice, just as what kind of dog, car, phone, or
>> laptop people decide to obtain, or what school people decide to
>> attend.  Everyone will make their ultimate decisions based on
>> needs,
>> wants, affordability, and ability to handle.
>> However, I will stand firm that the guide dog is a better
>> mobility aid
>> because it has more capabilities and is more precise.  No one has
>> disputed this fact with evidence or explanations.
>> I understand there are advantages and disadvantages to
>> everything, but
>> that does not mean all things are on some neutral ground.  Some
>> cars
>> are better than others, some phones are better than others, and
>> some
>> foods are better than others, regardless of what people can
>> afford,
>> are willing to put up with, or are able to handle.
>> I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive.  My intentions are
>> simply to
>> debate and share thought-provoking ideas, not to stir up trouble
>> or
>> cause some kind of divide.
>> 
>> --
>> Raven
>> 
>> Original Message:
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide
>> Dog
>>        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>> 
>> You obviously view the cane as negative, your posts are full of
>> negative
>> language.  You yourself have said you hate the cane.  That
>> baffles me, as the
>> cane doesn't feel anything about you, one way or another.
>> You are entitled to your opinion, just realize it is exactly
>> that, your
>> opinion.
>> 
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