[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Fri Jun 28 13:44:49 UTC 2013

Although I've never done that, I often carry a cane in my back pack so that 
if I need to use it, its there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes


> Yes, it's fine to use a cane to check out something the dog is showing you
> and you can't figure it out.  Using a cane on sidewalkless routes to check
> your proximity to the edge is common.  Also using a cane to pattern a dog 
> to
> a specific turn, like the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox, is fairly
> common.
>
> In some other countries a shorter white cane and the dog are used
> simultaneously all the time.  Here, in the U.S., the more common practice 
> is
> to get out a folding cane when it is needed and then to return to the dog.
>
> I have owner trained my guides, so they are all accustomed to me using a
> cane because I have to early in the process.  However if a dog isn't used 
> to
> the handler using a cane, it can cause a bit of confusion at first.  I 
> think
> most of the programs are incorporating the cane into the training though.
>
> HTH
> Julie
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Carol Osmar
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:54 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> As a potential dog user, I have a question.  Is it ever
> recommended to use a cane while with your dog to locate the
> things you mentioned, or would that somehow undermine the
> trusting partnership you have with your dog?
>
> Carol
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:30:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> There are mobility things a cane can accomplish more easily than
> a dog.
> Finding the fourth sidewalk after the mailbox is tough with a
> dog, but a
> breeze with a cane.  Finding the mailbox in the first place is
> easier with a
> cane.  Mingling in a crowd is easier with a cane.  Dogs just want
> to go
> around and will avoid taking you up to clusters of people.  As
> was mentioned
> earlier, finding and standing in line is tough with a dog.  Odd
> situations
> you haven't encountered before are easier with a cane, for
> example the weird
> steps to the curb and street that I described a few months ago.
> Any
> information from echolocation from the tap of the cane tip is
> virtually
> nonexistent with a dog.  Getting information about your immediate
> surroundings, like am I walking past a flower bed or a giant mud
> puddle, is
> easier with a cane.  Knowing what surface you are about to step
> onto before
> taking that first step is way easier with a cane.  Ever take a
> step onto a
> brick road early on a fall morning after a frost?  It is slick
> and a dog
> can't see any ice.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raven Tolliver
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:56 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> Hi,
> I do not view the cane or cane users negatively.  I would never
> say
> that I am better than cane users as a collective because I’m sure
> there are people who travel more efficiently with their cane than
> I do
> with my dog.  But apart from handlers/users, guide dogs simply do
> more
> than canes do.  That is a fact, not an opinion.
> It is a personal choice, just as what kind of dog, car, phone, or
> laptop people decide to obtain, or what school people decide to
> attend.  Everyone will make their ultimate decisions based on
> needs,
> wants, affordability, and ability to handle.
> However, I will stand firm that the guide dog is a better
> mobility aid
> because it has more capabilities and is more precise.  No one has
> disputed this fact with evidence or explanations.
> I understand there are advantages and disadvantages to
> everything, but
> that does not mean all things are on some neutral ground.  Some
> cars
> are better than others, some phones are better than others, and
> some
> foods are better than others, regardless of what people can
> afford,
> are willing to put up with, or are able to handle.
> I am sorry if anyone finds this offensive.  My intentions are
> simply to
> debate and share thought-provoking ideas, not to stir up trouble
> or
> cause some kind of divide.
>
> --
> Raven
>
> Original Message:
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,       the National Association of Guide
> Dog
>        Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
>
> You obviously view the cane as negative, your posts are full of
> negative
> language.  You yourself have said you hate the cane.  That
> baffles me, as the
> cane doesn't feel anything about you, one way or another.
> You are entitled to your opinion, just realize it is exactly
> that, your
> opinion.
>
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