[nagdu] Private club exemption

Sat Mar 9 15:03:34 UTC 2013

OK, I see what you are saying then. 

CL

On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:

> What I think is happening here is that 2 different access laws are being
> confused; the ADA and provisions found in both Title II and III, and the
> Fair Housing Amendments Act.  -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 6:05 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Private club exemption
> 
> OK, I really am not trying to argu this point, but I don't get it. It is not
> legal for the Alumni Association to keep dogs out of their building; yet a
> seminary, which may well also receive federal financial aid, can refuse to
> let someone stay in their housing with their dog. Or would that only apply
> to a guest and not to one of their students?
> 
> CL
> 
> On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:
> 
>> Yes, , the college is still receiving federal funding in the way of 
>> Federal Student Financial Aid.  When we are talking exclusive, it 
>> basically refers to a private entity that does not advertise to the 
>> greater and general public.  Some think that Cosco or Sam's have 
>> exclusive membership, but remember, these entities do advertise to the 
>> greater public.  Country clubs, or legal associations could be an 
>> example of a private entity that exclusive membership.  One cannot 
>> simply go up to the door and ask to be come a member.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 6:36 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Private club exemption
>> 
>> Yes, but does that include restaurants that are exclusive. The 
>> University of Kansas has an alumni club that has a restaurant involved 
>> with it; you have to be a member to be allowed to eat there, unless 
>> you are invited as a guest. They still have to allow the dogs in, don't
> they?
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> However, when it refers to private organizations, it is only those 
>>> that have exclusive membership.
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dailyah
>>> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:49 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Private club exemption
>>> 
>>> Jessica (and CL),
>>> 
>>> 42 USC Section 12187 is what you're thinking of.  This is where it's 
>>> stated that both private clubs and religious organizations are exempt 
>>> from having to allow any kind of service dog.
>>> 
>>> Dailyah
>>> 
>>> Here's what it says, exactly:
>>> 
>>> "The provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to private clubs 
>>> or establishments exempted from coverage under title II of the Civil 
>>> Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000-a(e)) [42 U.S.C. 2000a et seq.] or 
>>> to religious organizations or entities controlled by religious 
>>> organizations, including places of worship."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 8:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Access Rights?
>>>> 
>>>> No, you should not have to bring proof that the dog is a guide dog. 
>>>> Up
>>> scale doesn't change anything. What do you mean "private." Do you 
>>> have to join or go with someone who belongs?
>>>> 
>>>> CL
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Jessica Diaz wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> My husband and i want to eat at this more upscale american 
>>>>> restaurant that sells funnel cake. On the website when i was 
>>>>> browsing the menu, it says no dogs of any kind in plain view. when 
>>>>> i called to ask about it, the man said i have to bring papers for 
>>>>> Saunders and Figby. Is this legal? I thought i remember hearing 
>>>>> something about if the business is a private one the laws are
> different.
>> thanks so much.
>>>>> Jessica Diaz
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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